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Author Topic: signature on a French Deco vase? ID = Henri Quenvil, decorator  (Read 2021 times)

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Offline Glasshound

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This vase looks French Deco to me..I don't recognize the signature? any guesses?

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007, 02:11:02 PM »
Quenoil

Paris 1930-1935

probably a company that brought in blanks and enamelled them -maybe even just  one shop

not much is known about them

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2007, 02:36:13 PM »
Hey Mike,
 
   You sure it's 'Quenoil'?...I definitely see a 'V' in the signature..

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 03:02:16 PM »
I personally think it is 'Quenvit, P' - 'Signature attributed to Legras c1920-25 on enamelled art glass; stylistic similarities with Goupy and Delvaux' (Ivo Haanstra 2001 Millers Glass Fact File a-z)

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 03:29:51 PM »
Thanx Steven! I thing your "bang on" with that one...I need to dig out Ivo's book more often!  ;D

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 11:32:04 PM »
Glassmarken Lexikon can be wrong but I don't think so this time - they have exactly your signature as Quenoil! -and yes they say it reads like Quenvil (at which point my German fails)

We're probably talking about the same signature but neither Lexicon nor interestingly 'Legras Verrier' think its anything to do with Legras -there were loads of enamelling establisments at the time copying Legras, etc etc

I guess it would be sad if all books agreed.

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 12:15:23 AM »
When books disagree - look at more books

In Cappra (Le Genie Verrier de l'europe) it says

' L'identite de cette signature est a rapprocher de Legras'  -and the exact translation is lost on me. -PLEASE can anyone help?

He then goes on to say an example of the work is the same 'body' as a Legras vase.

It is only supposition on my part ('cus my French and German are'nt quite good enough) but knowing a bit about other french enamellers of the period - Quenoil/Quenvit seems at last to have used Legras blanks for their enamelling -or to be more mysterious maybe both enamelled the blanks of the same third party manufacturer.

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 09:12:18 AM »
Several posts on this subject, so I thought I just pick one.

Quenvit, Quenoil ... several suggestions from different books etc... but I thought i'll share something that has been dug up on a different forum.

As mentioned earlier on, Quenvit was suggested bu Cappa. What I don't like about some parts of his books,  is that he makes a very vague suggestion and then in the re-edition, he refers to himself in the earlier edition and makes the suggestion more or less a fact. He also does this with Verlux and Etling.

In 1991 he says about Quenvit "this unknown signature could probably be connected to Legras, as it, the signature, could be one of many variations". The illustrated vase is therefor attributed to Legras, but signed Quenvit.

In 1997 he says that the signature Quenvit can be linked to Legras because a vase looks very much like one from Legras. Ref edition Cappa 1991.

Hartmann says in the Glasmarken Lexicon, that it is a signature, that is often mistaken for Quenvit or Quenvil, but should be read as Quenoil. His reference comes from the 1930 Inventory of Ceramics and Glass manufacturers in France. The address of the mentioned company was 47, Rue d'Hauteville in Paris.

Unfortunately no Quenoil was ever registered there or ever existed, and I was surprised to read that, as Hartmann does refer to the inventory of 1930 having read Quenoil.

What was registered at this address, was a Henri Quenvil, glass and ceramics decorator. A clever person managed to find a couple of clippings  in the online french library, dating back to 1919, 1923 and 1925.

One add is a demand for glass decorators from the newspaper 'Le Journal' 19 sept 1919, one from a listing in an industrial report from 1925 and one article from Le Figaro from 18 march 1923.

So I guess we can say this signature belongs to Henri Quenvil and not Quenvit or Quenoil.

What is also interesting, is that some books on Legras, say that Quenvil has got nothing to do with Legras, because the quality is far more superior then Quenvil, but at the same time, there was an outlet/department for Saint Denis Glass in the same street on number 62, so maybe as mentioned above, Legras produced blancs for Quenvil.

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2016, 09:51:40 AM »
I forgot to mention, that the last article was a report on the Exhibition of Lyon in 1923. I love the way some things were described in the early days. It mentions that the Stand of Decorative Arts exhibits a very nice artistic collection of footed bowls, flower bowls, ceiling lights, lamps, sconces, powder boxes, little electric lamps all in enamelled glass from which the reflections are the brightest and shiniest. All the objects on display carry the signature from the decorating artist  Quenvil, a young man who can be classified as one of the best. His works of art are for sale in all department stores of good taste.

The clippings have no copyright on them and I have  the permission of the person who found this information, who's happy to share it with you.

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Re: anyone recognize this signature on a French Deco vase?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2016, 10:56:30 AM »
Thank-you, yet again, Anne, for your hard work and generous contribution to our knowledge. :-*
Cheers, Sue (M)

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