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Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« on: March 20, 2007, 08:07:19 PM »
Hi all,

I'm a little surprised that there has been no comment about this one on the board. Ebay No. 120098725436. I notice that Manley is being used as the reference - but is like being compared to like??

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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 08:19:40 PM »
Hi Nigel

According to the seller, there were 5 interested parties who requested a photo of the base, now supplied.   For me, it doesn't help in the least.   Is it Monart?   I'm uncertain enough probably not to have a bid, too risky for me.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this vase.

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Mary
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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 10:07:04 PM »
Had not noticed it... looks Chinese and fresh off the shelf.
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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2007, 11:59:04 AM »
Hi,

Pieces with this colour way have been turning up for many years. Vases, bowls(?) and lamp shades. They have been given honoray status as Aboresque Ware from S&W for as long as I can recall, but I cannot recall any precise proof of this.

They never have a Monart pontil, and by now, if they were Monart, one would have been seen with a typical pontil. Indeed, the finish of the base suggests that it has been blown into a mould. The surface has a more melted-in effect and the colours are used (together) in the way that is not seen on known pieces of Monart. Monart surface decorated wares have, on the whole, a 'dryer' look, without the sheen that appears on these items.

Therefore, I believe this is not Monart, but I can fully understand why the seller believes that it is - especially as it is the closest to a Monart shape that I've seen.

I must add my apologies to the seller, since I don't normally interfere with sales, but it's an annomally that has occured for far too long.

Nigel


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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 02:46:28 PM »
honoray status as Aboresque Ware from S&W for as long as I can recall, but I cannot recall any precise proof of this.

I have handled those but while this is closer to those than Monart, I do think this is something completely different. I have seen this finish in gift shops.

Academic as the sale has been cancelled now. See comments on bids!
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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 01:26:32 PM »
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I'm selling it on behalf of a professional glass dealer who doesn't sell on ebay so personally couldn't give a flying on your amateur opinion. Do you think all the bidders are idiots and are simply taking my word for it?
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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 01:56:50 PM »
Another mail  ??? seems this glass will stay unsold though.

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This item will be relisted, you do not know Monart cloisonne glass, it was made using an entirely different technique and has no pontil. I am obtaining authentication as we speak and will soon report you to ebay for auction interference, you may then have trouble purchasing your little glass animals. No way was I letting anyone obtain this glass for less than £400 anyway so it hasn't hurt me one bit.

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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 02:38:26 PM »
Charming!  His friend sounds like a dealer to avoid as well. I presume you've written to Gary? (millerart} seeing as he was top bidder.


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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 02:44:47 PM »
I just wrote to the seller, also sent him a link here. I did not see much point contact collectors as they knew it was not Monart. Many Monart collectors also collect examples of the look-alikes as it helps to have a feel for the different techniques that produce visually confusing pieces.
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Re: Monart 'Cloisonne' Glass Vase??
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 03:53:51 PM »
Dearie me, he obviously attended the same charm school as my little eBay 'chum'  ::)  Now be told Frank, you know nothing about Monart cloisonne glass, just stick to your little animals ....  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

 

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