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Carnival glass celery vase : ID Triands Brockwitz
« on: March 22, 2007, 04:02:18 PM »
Hopefully Glen or Connie may know the maker of this celery - for some reason it looks European rather than American to me?

But I can't trace down the pattern...

vase:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5802

base:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5801

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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2007, 04:06:30 PM »
Triands. Brockwitz.

(Edited to add: page 76 "Century of Carnival Glass"  >:D)
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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2007, 06:46:08 PM »
 >:D on my next buying spree Glen..... >:D

Thank you!  I am proud to have known it wasn't American!!



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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2007, 07:57:43 PM »
 ;D  Nice one, Lynne  ;D

And a tip for identification - turn the item upside down and look at its base (called the "marie" or collar base, on USA made items). On the Brockwitz piece you have there, you will see that the outer rim of the base is ground. Sometimes on such pieces you will find tiny grinding chips. A ground base is a characteristic of much (not all) European Carnival Glass. American made Classic Carnival, however, was taken from the mould using a tool called a snap - and the collar base was not ground (there are some scarce exceptions to this rule). This article that I wrote some years ago may be of interest in context.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/pepper.html

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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 08:54:07 PM »
Excellent.  Looking at the Fenton, Dugan and Imperial pieces I have to hand at the moment, I can see a distinct mould seam line central to the raised rim of the collar base, (which I presume is the snap line?) whereas as you say the Brockwitz is roughly ground - I had seen the grinding and just put it down as rather a lot of wear, but looking it with your knowledge, I can now clearly see that it has been ground but not polished.

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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 09:30:30 PM »
Lynne, I think the line you are seeing on the American pieces is the mould seam line where the bottom plate joins the mould. If you look at these photos you'll see the location of the bottom plate.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/MouldMakers6.html
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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 10:35:16 PM »
Ah yes, I see what you mean.  So what does the snap tool look like?  Is there a pic anywhere? (other than in one of your books of course!   >:D )


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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 08:06:19 AM »
Lynne, I must have a pic of a snap somewhere, but I can't find one right now. But essentially it is a metal rod (similar in appearance to a punty except for the business end!) with a "clamp" at the end that opens to grasp (technically "snap up") the piece of hot glass by its foot / collar base / marie. I've heard the snap also called a spring punty.

You can see one on this webpage, which is about bottle production, but the principle is the same (and this is an interesting website anyhow  :)) You need to scroll down a little to the section entitled "Bottle Bases" page -Organization & Structure: and then select A > Snap case.
http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/bases.htm#Snap%20Case%20&%20Sabot
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Re: Carnival glass celery vase - I can't work out the pattern
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 08:35:38 AM »
Right, I see just what you mean now.

Yes that is a very useful site - I use it for the right lip nomenclature when selling my mineral bottles!

I am a terrible sucker for using the right terms....  ::)
(Other than gob of glass which I still can't bring myself to use   :o )


 

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