Topic: EAPG help: Wyoming glass covered syrup

[untamed_lady2000]

Thank you all for the input - it is amazing.

My comment about 'not flint' was just that I have about five of these in flint (clear) - this was the first coloured one I had seen.

The jug is definitely blue - not coloured after making.

The differences I have found between the two styles are as follows...

Smooth foot jug   
   
Thin glass   
Deeper spout   
Pattern doesn't go all the way up to the lip the lid sits on   
Checkered pattern rough      
Lid slips when tilted about 40 degrees   
Rim above lid lip high

Ridged foot (blue) jug

Thick glass
Shallow spout
Pattern touches lip
Checkered pattern not as defined as smooth footed jug
Lid slips out when tilted slightly
Rim above lid lip lower

[Sid]

Hello:

Cathy B. - You mentioned this pitcher is shown in Crown catalogs.  Any possibility of posting a cut? 

Thanks

[Cathy B]

Hello everyone,

Thanks very much, Sid and Tom B, for your help!

Dee, I'll disagree with you about the blue colouring being 'in the glass'. The colour is part of the Etherden treatment - they acid etched, then applied some sort of colour, and then cold enamel painted with the flowers. I'm not sure how it was done - I assume some sort of fired on enamel. Later tonight I'll dig mine out and have a careful look (mine is identical to Dee's). (If the colour were genuinely in the glass, then it couldn't have been Crown Crystal either!)

Here it is in the August 1932 catalogue (note that this is my original picture of the original catalogue and not of the photocopies published in Ken Arnold's book.)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6166

The same piece appears in a 1940s catalogue. This explains why these pieces are so common on Australian eBay.

[untamed_lady2000]

Cathy I think I would have to agree with you. The glass has an unusual feel to it - a little rough - a bit like frosted glass. Appologies for my earlier statement about it definitely being blue glass. All I can say is I am learning as I go.
Here are the pictures of the two jugs as requested. The one of the bases is not as sharp as I would like but you can see what I mean about the ridges in the other pic.

The two jugs...
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6167

The bases...
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6168

[Cathy B]

Hi Tom, Sid, and Dee

Tom and Sid, how long would US Glass have been making these items? When would they have stopped? Crown Crystal didn't exist until 1926 (although it's possible that one of the predecessors sold a huge amount of stock and then warehoused it).

Dee, those two clear pieces are definitely from different moulds (sorry, Australian spelling) - the proportions are different, most notably around the rim. Is the thumbprint absent from the one on the right, or is that just something to do with the photograph? This could be a natural result of replacing the moulds at some point, so isn't necessarily conclusive either way.

There'll be more coming on Australian acquisition of EAPG molds though.

All the best, Cathy

[JC]

Hi everyone, Just now reading this thread.Enjoy reading another Crown Crystal  mystery trying to be solved.
I have a pink one and definately the colour is applied. Mine still has the paper Etherdon sticker.
Julie

[Sid]

Cathy:

I have seen some items listed in company catalogs and price lists up to 30 years after they were first introduced.  To determine how long US Glass had this item for sale we would need to study their price lists which I don't have access to.  I suspect that the Rakow Library in Corning, NY will have US Glass price lists. 

[Cathy B]

Thanks Sid - then it's conceivable that they did import these jugs in? I'll see what can be got out of Rakow Library.

They're not particularly spectacular pieces of glass, whoever made them, but sorting out the providence is interesting. (To me, anyway, but I'm weird )

[untamed_lady2000]

Hi Cathy, I don't mind the Aussie spelling (I'm one too)

The thumbprint is there - just didn't turn out well in the picture.

I am enjoying this too. I am learning what to look for and where to go for information.

Thank you all for this.

Dee

[Tom B]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the pitcher on the right was made from a different mold.  The scallops on the top are different, and the form of the spout is such that it couldn't be made from the original mold. Just my opinion. Also, the base is somewhat different. Perhaps Crown made their own mold, or mould, just an obscure spelling in the US.