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Offline josordoni

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I bought this with a load of modern weights - mainly Chinese - but it had something that just sort of.... resonated....  ::)

The base looks sort of Ysartish and similar to other ones I have had, but the colour of the glass is very clear, so I don't know...

I've checked all the obvious sites but can't see anything similar.

Any pointers anyone?

base:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6225
base 2:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6224
side
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6222
top
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6223


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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 02:29:16 PM »
Not Ysart for sure...
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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 02:40:33 PM »
Thanks Frank.... one rather distant possibility crossed off the list.

I was wondering whether that kind of cane work was earlier Murano?



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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
Hi,
The style and colours look Bohemian to me.
However if the flowers are canes (sorry cant be sure from the pics) then it probably isnt.
Not much help that :-[
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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 03:33:27 PM »
What a fascinating weight! :D  I'd be inclined to say Bohemian, too. 
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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 03:59:43 PM »
Thanks Leni, Karelm.

Karelm - if you click on the central picture on the gallery, you will get a HUGE image, you should be able to see that the flowers are twists, like the stems, that have been rolled up like little catherine wheels.. Not sliced like murrines, it looks as if each is a single two coloured twists rolled up on itself.

The more I look into it, the more fascinating it is.  The colours are amazingly clear and bright. 

Bohemian seems to be a strong contender.

I wonder what era?


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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 04:54:26 PM »
some of the cane twists look like VSL
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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 10:54:57 AM »
Hi,
Ok I see what you are saying about the canes being rolled on themselves.  I have seen loads of recent and old bohemian weights and must say I have not seen that done before.  The colours are right on and the white in the ground seems about right for bohemian though  ???
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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 02:34:08 PM »
It has been suggested this may be a 1930s Bohemian fiddlehead fern weight...

I can't find anything about these weights on line, has anyone heard of these? 


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Re: Lovely bouquet weight, base looks like my other Ysarts but...?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2007, 04:43:05 PM »
Absolutely stunning and rare find.   These are few and far between.

About 10 years ago I found this weight with the twisted glass threads that make up the flower stems and leaves as well as the bottom decoration. The base has been fire polished with the pontil mark ground out and polished.

http://www.rstreasures.com/misc/2136_Lilly_of_Valley-2.JPG
http://www.rstreasures.com/misc/2136_Lilly_of_Valley-3.JPG
http://www.rstreasures.com/misc/2136_Lilly_of_Valley-4.JPG

I have also seen pictures of two other weights made with the twisted glass threads.  Both have a daisy like single flower, one of which uses the twisted glass threads tightly coiled as the center of the flower. Both have the orange leaves attached to the green stems.

The best reference I have found is Peter Von Brackel's book 'Paperweights Historicism 1842 to present'  He shows several weights using the twisted glass threads in different designs.  The weights are attributed to Bohemia/Czechoslovakia, ca. 1910-1930.  He does not show any weights with the flower motif like we are discussing.

The design element, the bar with looped ends, at the bottom of the flower does not show up in any of the weights pictured in Von Brackel's book.  This design element does show up in some Val St Lambert weights.

My conclusion:  Great weight with still a couple of possible maker sources.
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