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Offline toedeloe

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Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:12:18 PM »
I recently bought this nice paperweight at an antiques fair in Brussels. I was especially interested in this weight due to the complex rose millefiori inside and also for the special design with laurel leaves  (I think) which I have never seen in a paperweight.
See pictures :
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6693
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6692

I also have another closepack paperweight with exactly the same rose cane, see :
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6695
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6691
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6690
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6689

I think I am able to attribute this closepack paperweight to the “second period Clichy” because it has exactly the same “spoke” millefiori as the one pictured in the book “La Cristallerie de Clichy” from Roland Dufrenne, Jean Maës and Bernard Maës on page 374 paperweight nr. G.
See following picture :
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6694
and the comparison of the two different spoke millefiori :
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6696

Since in Roland Dufrenne’s book there is no picture of a complex millefiori rose I was not able to attribute the “laurel leaves” paperweight to Clichy. But with the combination of the “spoke”-cane and complex rose cane in my closepack paperweight I think this could also be a late Clichy paperweight.

I would be very pleased if someof the experts could confirm my findings. Any comment would be more than welcome.

Thanks and kind regards


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 12:43:49 AM »
cheers Ray


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2007, 08:02:40 AM »
Thanks Ray for the link. It took me some time to read it.
The latest post from "addg" was confusing since the link seemed wrong (wrong paperweight picture). The strange thing is that i was the buyer of this paperweight and the seller did change the picture after the sale.
I am still convinced that this is a late Clichy paperweight.
Kind regards.


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2007, 03:38:36 PM »
You have a very nice weight there. I can't help but notice it has that real old look to it. Personally if I had $12,000 or so to plunk down for a Clichy etc it would be one of this type, with this bonified, no matter what someone says, old look. There is too many perfectly clear, no bubbles at all "perfect" ones on the market for all to possibly be real (original from France 1800's), from my personal observation, when most are known to be in private collections. I just can't get around that FACT either.
Chris


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2007, 05:24:20 PM »
Thanks Chris for your input, i completely agree with your vision. I also tend to seach for the "special ones" - whatever that means - and that's why i always end up with antique ones.
Regards, Eddy


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 01:59:14 AM »
Ahha. So Toedeloe=Piepedei. Nice to meet you after having run up against you in bidding on a few weights. The link in my post from the earlier discussion was changed and is now meaningless.

Your close pack is a beauty. I was the underbidder on it as I recall. I would love to own it if you ever decide to part with it.

I do not believe it to be Clichy or late Clichy. I believe it to be better than that. I am leaning towards some lesser known Belgiun maker, with Bohemian as a distant second choice. The compound rose cane, and the blue crimp/star type canes with yellow centers are key canes for me. Bubbles as decorative elements just doesn't fit with late Clichy; and the color palette (if I spelled that correctly) is not Clichy or late Clichy. Have you tried specific gravity testing to see if it matches any known makers? Colin Mahoney (former PCA newsletter editor) has tons of data on known specific gravities; and John Hawley has done aritcles on how to do the testing. You might also try writing to George Kulles (author of the ID books) and who advertisies as a glass restorer in the PCA newsletters.


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 03:05:32 AM »
addg, is it the link that now points to a QEII sulphide? We can delete that link if it's now useless or confusing.


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 07:40:16 AM »
addg, nice to hear from you too.
I partly agree with you : the bubbles in the closepack are certainly not Clichy style, but i still cannot explain why the "spoke" cane is such a perfect match with the one from the book of R. Dufrenne :

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6696

I will try to do specific gravity testing and UV testing and let you now a.s.a.p.
Eddy


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 12:31:36 PM »
Cathy - yes it is the QEII sulphide link that is wrong.


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Re: Late Clichy paperweight with laurel branches???
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 01:17:11 PM »
Consider it gone. :)

 

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