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Offline Tigerchips

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Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« on: April 28, 2007, 10:05:34 PM »
I couldn't decide which, I think it might be art glass though. The iridescence seems to be sprayed onto amber glass. It's quite heavy. It might be a second as there's a chip under the iridescence. It measures 4 inches diameter. American or Bohemian?

Nicely polished rim
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49225.jpg

Nicely polished pontil
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49228.jpg

Thanks, Tony

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 05:25:28 AM »
WMF Myra crystal probably number J296 from the 1933 & 1936 catalogues. There are no seconds, the iridescence is sprayed onto reduced silver nitrate and the chip does not matter if it is iridised over.

Top stuff, nice find.

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 10:04:37 AM »
Ooops, an unexpected bargain. 8)

Thank you Ivo.  8)

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 01:20:23 PM »
A delicious looking piece of glass, TC - and my apologies for not posting sooner (as I have written in another thread here; sad, family circumstances have meant I was away from home).

Not Carnival, as Ivo has already explained. I'll just add a little bit extra which may help for the future. To be classed as Carnival, an item should have the following characteristics: iridised, (press) moulded and with a pattern.

The pattern would be moulded (i.e. formed courtesy of the mould and plunger) though there are a very few exceptions where a design is enamelled or etched. (I stress that these are exceptions, and even when the design is enamelled or etched, there is often a moulded pattern too).

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 02:21:47 PM »
It is moulded isn't it?  ???

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 03:07:22 PM »
But it doesn't have a moulded pattern...that's the crunch really. It needs all three attributes to fit into the mainstream Carnival genre (but there's always the exception that proves the rule of course). WMF isn't usually considered to be Carnival. Having said that, there are some epergnes (and at least one epergne base was made by WMF) that sneak into the Carnival "pot". The glassware on them is probably not WMF though (I'm going by correspondence between me and WMF about 10 or 12 years ago, in order to make that sweeping statement).

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Goddess.html

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2007, 03:19:01 PM »
Ooops, an unexpected bargain. 8)

Thank you Ivo.  8)

Well done Tony, just think all those frogs you had to kiss, and your reward is a lovely prince...

( or -ess just for you....)
Thank you very much!

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 03:31:48 PM »
It's got flutes though, ref Pillar flute.

BTW sorry to hear about your family problems  :hug:

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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 03:57:29 PM »
Very true, Christine, very true. I totally accept your point.

It's one of these ''grey area'' pieces (there are plenty of them). But it's not mainstream Carnival. I suppose that's the easiest way to answer the question (and I totally agree that a case could be argued for it, but I can "hear" Carnival collectors shouting "not Carnival" as I type  >:D)

BTW thanks for your kind words....it helps. Difficult times for us right now.
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Re: Carnival glass or art glass bowl?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2007, 04:07:51 PM »


BTW thanks for your kind words....it helps. Difficult times for us right now.

Glen, you know you have all our thoughts and best hopes for you all the time, I hope you will be able to take solace from getting out into nature again shortly.  I passed through a bluebell wood last week, and thought immediately of you.   :hug:

Thank you very much!

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