Author Topic: scottish glass stoppers  (Read 880 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline saorsa

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 114
scottish glass stoppers
« on: May 09, 2007, 09:45:22 PM »
i have just picked up a couple of glass stoppers
one of which is monart ( its not a crack on the stopper but only a stray hair) and the other two i do not know about
i think i made a boo boo by uploading them into the paperweight archive , but they should also be in my album .

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6888
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6887
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6889


Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9213
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 09:57:22 PM »
The canes are Ysart Bros. I think  ???
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech


Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9213
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 10:16:26 PM »
Just had a thought, possibly wild speculation...

It has always been a puzzle why Salvador acquired the millefiori techniques but did not value paperweights... it occured that while Paul was involved in making the bottle he got the job of making the stoppers, thus inspiring his interest. The master inspired by a father he came to despise. Timing fits too.
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech


Offline KevinH

  • Global Moderator
  • Members
  • *
  • Posts: 4328
    • England
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 10:24:26 PM »
6887 - Ysart Bros (Vasart) quite likely, but could be earlier??

6888 - The central cane and those in the circle around it are known in some pre-war shape IE bottles. This does not mean the stopper is one of those, but it might be.

6889 - No idea. Never seen that cane before. I'd like to see a view of the side of the canes.

In fact, I'd like to see full side views of the whole of each stopper. There can sometimes be clues (or a point of interest) in the way the stem is finished.

Also, could you please give the dimensions of each stopper, both the diameter of the top and the overall length from top to base of stem. There are a range of bottles, of "unknown maker" status, that use old "Ysart" canes but the UV check of the main glass and various other features do not tie up with early pieces.

The "unknown" items usually have larger stoppers than seen in regular Vasart bottles and Monart IE bottles. But there are also a range of (likely) older Vasart bottles, with clear necks instead of striped, that are larger the the usual ones!

More images and sizes would therefore be very useful in considering these stoppers.
KevinH


Offline saorsa

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 114
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 12:19:22 PM »
Thanks all here are the dimensions and further pictures as requested
1st stopper,  measures  4 cm in diameter at the widest , total  length 5.5 cm , diameter of base 2.5cm  . circumference of stopper 8cm

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6893
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6899
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6898


2nd stopper measures   3.5 cm accross the top   , total length 5.5 cm , diameter of base 2.5 cm, circumference of stopper  8cm

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6895
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6894


3rd stopper  measures  3.5 cm accross the top , total length 5.5 cm , diameter of base 2.3 cm , circumference of stopper 7.6 cm


http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6897
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6896





Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9213
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 07:24:02 PM »
Look like they were never finished!
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech


Offline saorsa

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 114
Re: scottish glass stoppers
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2007, 08:11:22 PM »
Maybe ..

 the striking thing is that they are almost identical in shape , length and circumference , only one is slightly larger accross the diagonal



 

This Website is provided by Angela Bowey, PO Box 113, Paihia 0247, New Zealand