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Offline alexander

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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 11:40:48 PM »
Heh - right you are, my little grey cells totally skipped the "ge".

Thanks for putting me straight - I would have continued to use the wrong spelling.
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 06:20:43 PM »
Hi

Alexander, your description of the central cane is accurate, the canes around it seem to consist of two rows of tiny frilly white canes around a pink tube with a white inner.

Kev, I have found a picture of a weight with similar rose cane and blue star canes in a Christie's catalogue 'Important glass and 19th century ceramics' 7/7/2005. Page 107.

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/bridgesantiques/Paperweights02

What do you think? - they describe it as 'a Clichy miniature close pack millefiori weight'. With the canes set on a blue ground they have a more even make up, but with the exeption of the rose the other canes seem different to the usual Clichy canes.

I'm confused!

Regards

Hazel  :P




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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2007, 11:08:28 PM »
Confusing indeed ; )

I think mainly the reason I don't like the Clichy link is the setting and overall feel of the weight,
plus the roses - the roses seem a little different from Clichy roses.

The Christies weight seems to have some unwanted bubbles, is that common in older Clichy?

I've uploaded some pics of an old Clichy that's in the family below for comparison.
The roses are quite different, in the one below there are two roses, one regular green/pink/white with yellow center canes
and one pink/white with yellow centre canes.

Clichy 1
Clichy 2
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 12:41:57 AM »
Another thought - could it be Val St Lambert?

I'm browsing Selman's old catalogues and between all the drooling  ;) I found a VSL with
a central white petaled rose cane. Different but shows that they did roses too.

Selman VSL - Lot 63

Edit - so did Baccarat :

Selman Baccarat - Lot 52
Alexander
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2007, 10:12:26 AM »
 :cry: Oh dear the plot thickens!!!!!!!

Reference the bubbles - I hadn't noticed them in the picture before (too busy looking at the canes), however I don't think I recall seeing stray bubbles in the Clichy weights I have handled.

Maybe the attribution of Clichy in the Christie's sale was incorrect - that would lead us back to the Bohemian connection. I have just taken the weight and compared it to other weights in my collection (glass colour/profile). The glass has a slightly greyer tinge than either Clichy or Baccarat and the profile is similar but lower domed. It seems unlikely that given it present condition that the shape is anything other than it's original shape.

Regards

Hazel

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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2007, 02:07:18 AM »
PS: Mods please have a look at the pic and description and decide if it is OK in terms of copyright.
Quote from: Frank
Please add a full reference to the work, author, title, publisher, date of publication, page No, plate No. The copyright date and owner should also be kept with the image.

Karel, if you can let us know the full reference as Frank describes above, then we will add it into your description to make it copyright kosher. The copyright symbol, owner and date need to go into the description in the Glass Gallery as well, if I'm interpreting what Frank says correctly.

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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2007, 07:42:44 AM »
Cathy,
Sorry I'd forgotten about that :sleep:
Title:Collectors' Paperweights price guide and catalogue
Author: Lawrence H. Selman
Publisher: Paperweight Press, Santa Cruz, California
Copyright: 1986, L.H. Selman Ltd.
Page: 175

Hope that is everything!
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 10:41:28 PM »
Hazel - A very interesting weight and well worth having restored in my opinion. 

In the book 'Identifying Antique Paperweights - The Less Familiar' by George N. Kulles, he shows an identical rose on page 9, figure 22.  He attributes these weights to the Bohemia/Silesia region. His description is "the millefiori rose has concentric layers of thick opaque-white petals around a center of six prominent pink and white tubes. It can occur with either an outer row of white petals or green sepals."
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 12:33:35 AM »
Oh Well done Karel! It is that little bit of effort that makes a huge difference. It qualifies what you say, thanks the original researcher and spreads the word. It also guides people on which books to BUY!

Ommmmanniiii padmeeee hummm  ;)
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Re: Terrible condition but maybe Clichy?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2007, 09:12:35 AM »
Hi Ron

Thanks for the reply, looks like I'm going to have to buy yet another book. I don't think I knew what I was letting myself in for when I bought my first piece of glass (my mother dealt in porcelain, so I decided to collect glass). Now I seem to collect both, sell some and have a full time job!!!

I think I will try and have the weight restored and I will of course post a picture of the results.

Best wishes

Hazel

 

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