Is This Nazeing?

[BJB]

I have just been on my usual Saturday trawl round a local carboot sale, and found this.

http://tinypic.com/5n6dqr

After pouring over my Geoff Timberlake book (thanks Nigel) I wonder if it might be one of the lanterns listed near the back. It just has a loop on the top, so it didn't have chains.

I did think it might be 1930's LONG PENDANT H2 design, but having read the blurb on page 101 regarding the "square wire" I don't know which of the hanging 1950's ones it might be. It is 12" long.

Just one last quick question, does anyone know what it might go for on Ebay, as I have had a quick look but can't find anything like it.

Thanks
Barbara

[Frank]

The ones in the book look to be constructed with a more expensive technique (metal-work) than yours. Use of non-ferrous metals is not uncommon for post-war lamps intended for outdoor use and square profile is a lot easier to handle. There were a lot of makers producing this type of lamp in the UK and probably elsewhere too.

Value is fairly arbitrary, you could stick 250 on in Bond St 25 in Camden Lock.

[Max]

Hello Barbara  

I know that Whitefriars made some lanterns (well, they didn't make the metalwork, another company did,  but they blew the glass into them), but I don't think yours is Whitefriars.

Have you considered your lantern could be contemporary?  I'm sure I've seen similar in good department stores...I could be wrong - I hope so!  It's always lovely to find a goodie.  Either way, it's a great looking piece - so you've done well.      

[chopin-liszt]

It's the sort of shade I think looks lovely in the lobby (porch or vestibule), at the front door. You've done well today with lighting!

[BJB]

Hi Sue,

Since the 1960's lampshades I seem to be more drawn to lighting, so I seem to see and buy more  

As long as its glass though I don't mind.

Will have to get a very biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggg lamp for the other shade  :wink:

Barbara

[Max]

Barbara, I was just trawling the net; searching for things to buy - as you do  :roll:    when I came across this:

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=994&item=7327797979&rd=1

It's not exactly the same, but it's quite similar to yours isn't it?  

[BJB]

Hi Max,

 Yes very similar, but my wire is very square and that looks round. Mine also cost a lot less


Will list it later in the year when the nights start to draw in again :wink: Not worth it while they are nice and light.

Barbara

[paradisetrader]

Mine is the same size as the Italian one but in amber and the metal work is finished in a blck plastic coating.
The pattern is similar to both but not exactly the same as either.
I suspect they were all made in Italy and that the Veneziana refers to a "style" rather than infering Murano manufacture.
Lucerna (lovely word) just means lamp I think but "Sofiato" I believe refers to the technique of blowing glass into a wire "cage".
Corrections welcome.

[BJB]

The coating on the wire on mine is black paint, which is begining to peel a bit in places and is going very slightly rusty, so I think it may be a bit older than the Italian one.

The paint goes all the way round so it hasn't been added later.  :?

Curiosier and curiosier

Barbara

[roget123]

Hello Barbara,

When I was researching my book those kind people at Nazeing gave me as much information about their lanterns as they knew. However, when I found a lantern which although not the same shape as yours, but otherwise had very similar colour, framework and peeling black paint, those kind peoople stated without any hesitation " that's not one of ours".  I strongly suspect the same applies to yours.

Paradise Traders said "I suspect they were all made in Italy and that the Veneziana refers to a "style" rather than infering Murano manufacture".  

That may be true of many other lanterns, but please do not think that any true Nazeing lantern was made anywhere other than Broxbourne, Herts.

regards, Geoff Timberlake

[BJB]

Hi Geoff,

Many thanks, I had a look at the pictures in your book, but with them being catalogue pictures rather than photo's it is not quite so easy to see the finer details. And there is so much debate about what is and what isn't Nazeing (as I know to my cost!) it is rather a touchy subject, and I usually steer well clear of this glass, but I did like this one

Do you think it might date from the same time in the 1950's, rather than later (re the paint rather than the plastic coated wire)

Have got to get some new screws for the sides as the bright silver ones slightly spoil the effect :wink:

Barbara

[David E]

Barbara, I note your photo has disappeared (as they tend to do on TinyPic), but here's an advert on Anne's Advert Gallery of an original Nazeing advert, c.1950, showing 'cage-blown' lightshades.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2950

As with all the adverts I'm posting, I have them in original size if anyone requires them. These are photos though, and not scans.

[nigel benson]

Hi all,

Interesting thread about an area of Nazeing that I find a tad difficult , so particularly sad that it's without the original photo :( (the ebay one seems to have gone as well :shock:  :( )

As with many of these things I suppose once you have a known piece that you can study it trains you to notice other correct pieces - not fulproof I know, but I find it works reasonably for me. It's finding that first one in this case :shock:  :(  :shock:

Very interesting advert David, thanks. I note the date of 1950, but are you able to narrow that down at all please? Also, is it possible to say from what publication it comes from?

Nigel

[David E]

Nigel, the advert dates to April 1948 and it featured in Pottery Gazette adn Glass Trade Review.

At this time Nazeing were quite prolific advertisers and I have a few more of these spot coloured ones listing other items.

[nigel benson]

Thanks for that David. I do have a number of original Nazeing coloured adverts from this period, but have not managed to find the one with the latterns, so its very good to know the complete reference .

There was another company producing these latterns, as well as bracket lamps and table lamps of the same form and during the same time period as Nazeing. They were Thornton-Owen Ltd, who were based in Birmingham and who worked in conjunction with John Walsh Walsh Ltd in the production of these items. Unfortunately, it is difficult to tell the section of the steel used, although one is large square section the others illustrated could well be round 'wire' section.

Nigel