Is This Nazeing?

[BJB]

Hi,

Just to add, since I bought that lamp I noticed a fair few about and was told that they were Eastern European and had been "sea dipped" to give the paint that peeling look. I don't know it was the case or not.

But have not seen any about this year so the popularity must have gone, its large paperweights this year! Mainly the Chinese ones, which are being sold as anything from "Rare Vintage Antique... to Unsigned Caithness" and all decriptions in between.

Barbara

[johnfandmaryp]

Hi all,

Hope you don't mind me reviving this topic but I acquired a pair of Nazeing "Priory" lanterns today (picture below) which I will be listing on eBay shortly and so was browsing for a bit more info and came across this topic.

I'd love to know how common these are and, as the links in the discussion are no longer working, would really appreciate a rough idea of the value of the lanterns.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5980

[nigel benson]

Hello,

I said earlier in the thread that this is an area that I find difficult, and I believe others do also.

For that reason alone it is likely that we are not aware of how rare, or common, these lanterns by Nazeing are. I am not aware of anyone showing interest in, or collecting, these.

I have looked at your example and compared it with the one illustrated in Geoff's book on page 102, and, whilst I realise there would be latitude in the making of these items, I'm not entirely convinced they are the same thing.

The hanging apparatus shown in the illustration is far more complex with wire 'chains' leading up to a frame before it is then connected to a hook. If we allow that other examples could have been produced, then it is possible that the hanging method could have been simplified.

Then, looking at the frame that the glass 'bursts' through, the central bubbles go through a circle on the one in your photo, whereas in the illustration the central area is bounded by two wavy bands of metal that have a vertically elongated gap between them, so that the shape the glass goes through is not circular. Above and below these wavy lines the illustration shows the curls of metal connected directly to the wavy lines of metal. The one in your photo shows them clearly seperate.

If it were mine I would, sadly, not be able to attribute it to being "Priory" by Nazeing.

Although it is possible that there could be variations by one manufacturer, it is likely that the main frame would stay consistant, if only because everything would be gigged up to make them. Simplifying the hanging mechanism might well be introduced as a way of reducing the selling price.

As to it's current value, I think that will be determined by the market. Presumably when you bought it you felt the price reasonable, so surely any profit above that would be OK? (allowing for p&p and selling costs of course!). Sometimes buying and selling something can even mean a financial loss, but the profit is always that you've gained knowledge - both of the market and of the item in question.

Lastly, I feel that the problem with these lanterns is that there are many versions made over a protracted period of time, by a number of manufacturers, with only a few alluded to earlier in this topic.

Perhaps Stephen, or Geoff could through more light on the subject?

Nigel

[Frank]

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5980

Looks like it has sun-purpled, or is that just the photo?

[johnfandmaryp]

Nigel ~ thank you so much for the full and very informative answer which is very much appreciated. To give you the full picture, we actually got them in a cheap lot at auction which we bought for 4 modern table lamps which we wanted for ourselves, so if there is any value in them, it's a bonus!

Have now had another very good look at the picture of Priory 75/7 which was sent to me in response to my original request for information on the GF board, and can see what you mean about the shape of the rings on the frame. My lanterns do have hanging kit with them in the form of 3 straight bars going up to a ring and a triangular hanging piece which fits to a hook on a square ceiling plate with curled corners (I'll post a picture of this later, when I've done it), but the triangular bit isn't as fancy as shown in the catalogue picture either ~ it doesn't have the scrolls. All the metal work is square sectioned.

Looks like I'll be listing them as 'Nazeing style' and see how (if!) they go!

Frank ~ the glass is actually a sort of peachy colour, rather than being affected by sunlight.

Very many thanks again for your help and interest, John.

[Anne]

David posted a copy of a Nazeing lantern advert in GlassGallery recently - does this help at all?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2950

[johnfandmaryp]

Hi Anne, and many thanks.
I looked at that link while doing my research before, but am not sure if it helps much as it's c1950 and I believe that the Priory pattern no. 75/7 (which I thought mine were) is from the 1930's. Comparing those in your link with the ones in the 1930's catalogue which I have been sent a copy of, there are some differences, especially in the shape of the cage.
Mine are actually slightly different from both, but a lot closer to the 1930's catalogue!  ???
Thanks again for your help, John

 

[Frank]

I can lay my hands on half a dozen catalogues with this style of lantern, they were very widely produced in many countries. Some would have been creative but equally some could have just copied pictures from other makers.

[nigel benson]

Hi John,

If the page you have is a copy of is out of Geoff's book, then both the page illustrations he shows are from the 1950's catalogue. [Edit: I've just noticed you quote 75/7 as the code - this is the 1950's code for "Priory".]

He says, in the section under 1950's catalogue - Lanterns, page 101, second sentence, "In many cases the names were the same as the pre-war originals, but the shapes were changed."

On page 31 of the text he also discusses the metal used and the method of construction. The frames were made by a local firm, George Hettdem and Sons. Originally, the wire was round section and later square. In the 1950's the frame was made using spot welding techniques and an expensive non-rusting nickel wire, which when finished gave an antique appearance. (I have paraphrased Geoff's section)

By looking at the photo's of the 1930's versions, shown on pages 98 -100, it is fairly clear that the wire was connected traditionally using metal (wire) clips. The pre-war "H7 -Priory" design is nothing like yours, but the lantern - H3 - called "Abbey" is similar as it uses the circles, but all the other metalware is clipped directly to those circles.

I hope this helps, Nigel

[johnfandmaryp]

Thank you Nigel ~ it helps a lot!
Will have another good look at everything before making a final decision about what to do with them.
Very many thanks again for your time and trouble, John.

[lddlsa]

I have resurrected this thread again as I have today bought a Nazeing Priory lantern.  Generally I am not confident when it comes to Nazeing but on this occasion I will stick my neck out!  Regretting my moment of confidence already!!  It exactly matches the design shown for H7 in Fig 74 in Geoff's book, the frame is square section, rusty and held together with metal clips.  I haven't contributed to the Board for a long time and am unsure about adding photographs but will give it a go if anyone is interested.

I now have one small problem, it is quite a large thing and I can't exactly display it on my Nazeing and possibly Nazeing shelves.  I could hang it in the porch and actually use it as intended but should appreciate some advice.  There is only one small hole in the top of the lid through which a cable should just about go through.  There are no holes for any heat to escape from when the bulb is on but would this be a problem?

Your comments would be very much appreciated.

Lynne

[lddlsa]

Hi
I was wondering if Nigel (or any other Nazeing collector) might be able to give me the benefit of their opinion on the lantern.  I may well be going to the Glass Fair at Chilford hall on Sunday but would rather not lug the beast of a thing there to show Nigel who will no doubt be very busy.  I couldn't decide what to do with it and so for the time being it is hanging under a tree in my garden!

[Frank]

At the time it was quite common to use only 2 core no earth, so holes were kept small. Heat of the bulb is no problem. You could clamp an earth to the external frame but might then have waterproofing problems so make sure to seal the cable entry well.

[lddlsa]

Thanks for that Frank, I think I will put it in our porch which is open on one side only so it would only be affected by the humidity levels rather than direct attack by rain.  Still hoping that someone will confirm it as definitely Nazeing though!