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Offline Tigerchips

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Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290 - ID = Whitefriars 916
« on: July 22, 2007, 12:01:27 AM »
I got a vase yesterday with Rd No 543290 etched (I think) on the bottom, it's hand blown and the design seems to date to the early 1900's period.

It's chipped so probably won't be worth a great deal.

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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 01:03:41 AM »
The Glass Association Blue Book doesn't list that number TC, but has 543227 on 04/06/1909 and the next entry is 543329 dated 05/06/1909 so you can pretty much date it to either of those dates. I can't find who the design is registered by though.  :-\


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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 05:02:53 PM »
Now that is a surprise, maybe it isn't a glass company registration number?

Here it is, told you it was odd.  ;D
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49740.jpg

I'm not sure if it has a second use as the vase could easily be turned the other way and used as a stand for something. There's some wear on both rims.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49741.jpg

This shows a few oval cuts or polishing's around the vase. The rim has then been folded over this cut/polished pattern, neat.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49745.jpg

16 raised ribs on the vase (inside and out). That jagged effect is an optical illusian.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49742.jpg

Neatly snapped off pontil and 16 ribs on the base.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49743.jpg

Registraion number 543290
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture_49744.jpg

It's relatively light in weight for it's size, though it's not very thick glass.


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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 06:16:04 PM »
I would suspect it was inteded to be flat top up and came with something else so the pontil was covered
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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 09:09:20 PM »
Hi

Could well be it was designed to work both ways up. It was very common in the Victorian era to make vases that could be turned over to act as a base for a dessert/fruit bowl/punch bowl.

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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 12:17:26 AM »
Perhaps the form was registered, rather than the material? The Patents Office in Aus had a different classification for 'Ornaments'. Just a possibility and may be well wrong. :D


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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 03:30:53 AM »
Cathy, it could well be one of those things that was made in more than one material, e.g. my mother has an equinox vase in lustre pottery - identical in shape and size to my glass Bagley version. 

The RD no. is part of the block allocated to non-textile designs according the National Archives catalogue:
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Subseries within BT 53  Non-textile Registrations
Scope and content Designs 539430-544002
Covering dates    1909 Mar. 23-June 16
Availability    Open Document, Open Description, Open Immediately
Held by    The National Archives, Kew

As it's not listed on Great Glass or in the Blue Book it's either a non-glass registration or it's been misfiled, which the NA says can happen. The only ways to find out for sure is either if someone could check on a visit to the NA at Kew, or to buy a copy of the details via the NA site (not a cheap option!)


TC, I'd agree with Hazel & Frank that yours is probably part of a set which would most likely have  included a large bowl to sit on top of the stand, or the stand could be up-ended and used as a vase alongside the bowl.


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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 12:26:20 PM »
First of all, apologies for not replying sooner, couldn't think of anything to say other than thank you.

Secondly, double apologies, as I Googled the registration number and found nothing, I obviously must have miss-spelled the registration as I have found something this time.

Whitefriars.com

And here's the Pattern Number 916
http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?id=1532

Third apology, I though it might be Whitefrars when I bought it but I looked at the labels on the WF site and no mention of registration numbers so I didn't look at the catalogue's.  :-[

Anyway, there's still a chance that it is a copy from another company. The height of mine is just over 7 inches tall.


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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 03:37:16 PM »
TC — Definitely WF.

The long-established and ridiculous ignoring of WF registration numbers by both reference books' authors and by collectors is just inverse snobbery.   There is no other explanation.   Same applies to the long-standing failure to count ribs, pattern repeats, and other moulded characteristics.

Fortunately both here and in the USA, registration numbers are now regarded as key identifiers by those looking for accurate attribution.   Both of the new generation of specialist publications, Reynolds and Gulliver, rely heavily on them.

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Re: Odd looking vase with Rd No 543290
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 06:53:20 PM »
Yay! well done TC, so it is a standalone piece. But what about that snapped pontil...?  >:D

 

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