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Offline SAS

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2007, 01:36:37 PM »
Dear Pamela,
Thank you very much for your information on the "Belge" mark and the links to your extremely useful and informative website.
Are you saying that various companies used the "Belge" mark for items exported to Belgium? I know that German companies exporting items to England used a mould mark (usually the British registration mark).
Sincerely,
Shirley in Charleston, WV USA

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2007, 02:00:27 PM »
Pamela - I've been concerned about this before but I can't get to the bottom of it. Are you saying that Inwald marked their glass with BELGE? Is there solid evidence for this? Could it be that an Inwald pattern was copied by a Belgian maker?
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2007, 08:02:30 PM »
Dear Glen,
this one:  http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/06466.html is new to my collection. It matches http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/04406.html

although a little different in height and MARK - the pink one has got not only BELGE in the base but also FAIT EN BELGIQUE inside top

please compare to Inwald 1934 page 128  ;D

Regarding Walther Glas I have to upload the ATLAS finally, my fault - please excuse  :-X

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2007, 08:08:12 PM »
Glen and all, please
I am far from telling anyone here anything... I can only contribute out of my collection  :angel:
Pamela
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2007, 09:44:53 PM »
Thanks to Patricia we now know that "Belge"was routinely used to mark products from the Boom factory; we may therefore assume that other makers in the Manuverbel pool such as Doyen Havré (pressed glass) used the mark as well.
I can not believe a german maker used "Belge" or "fait en Belgique". It makes no sense...

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 06:36:24 AM »
As I said above, I simply can't imagine Inwald or Walther using BELGE or anything similar, on their glass. No way.

So why is there a BELGE mark on items that appear identical to pieces made by Inwald and Walther? They were made in Belgium (by a Belgian maker....as Ivo notes above, probably Boom...thanks for that info Ivo and Patricia). They were copies - the patterns were plagiarised. Sometimes by agreement and contract, sometimes not. It happens all the time. Here are just a few examples.

Jacobean / Milord
Inwald (Czech) and Davidson (UK)

#2266 Chunky aka English Hob & Button
Sowerby (UK) and Indiana (USA)

Rose Garden aka Rosen aka Rosor
Brockwitz (Germany) and Eda Glasbruk (Sweden)

Sunk Daisy aka Red Sunflower aka Amerika
Cambridge (USA) and Eda Glasbruk (Sweden) and Riihimaki (Finland)

The above list is just a very small selection (off the top of my head).

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2008, 07:43:55 PM »
hi..i researched the grammar of fait en and it carries the meaning of ___for the purpose of_____thats from french

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2008, 08:27:49 PM »
Hi,
"Fait en..."  is definitely, in common French parlance, "Made in..." and not "for the purpose of..."
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 01:49:33 PM »
As I said above, I simply can't imagine Inwald or Walther using BELGE or anything similar, on their glass. No way.

So why is there a BELGE mark on items that appear identical to pieces made by Inwald and Walther? They were made in Belgium (by a Belgian maker....as Ivo notes above, probably Boom...thanks for that info Ivo and Patricia). They were copies - the patterns were plagiarised. Sometimes by agreement and contract, sometimes not.

Not to mention the piece that Christine (Lustrousstone) saw marked Made in Belgium, but a dead ringer for a Bagley Elf Posy.

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 07:53:58 PM »
Cathy, you bought that one didn't you. How does it compare in  the "flesh"?

 

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