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Author Topic: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish  (Read 5501 times)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2019, 08:48:57 PM »
1. pink unknown BELGIQUE
2. unknown clear dish with metal lid MADE IN BELGIUM
3. tumble-up water bottle, "VSL-ish", tumbler faintly marked BELGE under the base
4. amber Inwald tulips vase FAIT EN BELGIQUE


 
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Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2019, 08:56:27 PM »
1. Walther'ish LUXOR - FAIT EN BELGIQUE
2. Brockwitz'ish no. 6924 - FAIT EN BELGIQUE
3. blue unknown butterfly - FAIT EN BELGIQUE
4. blue unknown butterfly, top view
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2019, 09:18:55 PM »
some thoughts regarding that unknown blue butterfly vase with FAIT EN BELGIQUE mark:

this vase looks VERY Brockwitz'ish

as far as I know anybody has ever seen or handled the item no. 6941 shown in Brockwitz' 1941 catalogue

Brockwitz was closed in 1941 which means that a mould for this design possibly was never manufactured

about 10 years ago, I was informed by Belgian collectors that glass 'FAIT EN BELGIQUE' is most likely originating from Verreries de Scailmont Manage - unfortunately corresponding pages/links have expired and are no longer available

Question: Is this blue butterfly vase an amended Brockwitz produced by Scailmont?
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2019, 09:25:15 PM »
Jay, should you need better photos of any of the above, please let me know.

@all: I appreciate your thoughts!  :-*
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2019, 10:21:30 AM »
Pamela, thanks for so much effort. I'll tabulate them and do some html and then I think we will have a very interesting insight.

The mark 'Pavillions' is completely unknown in literature, and quite special information, since we know of NO genuine mark from this factory (i.e. Pavillions á Beignée (Manage)). It could be a vital clue, so a photo of that mark would be very useful! We have little info about the factory, and cannot immediately exclude the possibility that they are 'players' in this story.

I also talked to both Ann P and Eliane B, from which some more clues have been found.

In general I think all are agreed that, despite the variation in the markings, these are all examples from a single source, made during a longish period. (and no evidence it was in Belgium)

Although we all suspect the culprit, there is now a chance that we can actually prove it! (I'm chasing after that story, now...)

Once I can get all the information online as a draft, I will post the link here for you (all)
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2019, 05:27:13 PM »
1. Walther ATLAS bowl - left marked BELGIQUE - right no mark
2. left: Belgique fire-polished   right: 'Edelglas' feet and top rim cut and polished mirror-shiny
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2019, 05:33:18 PM »
1. two Inwald bowls # 9801: topaz on the left marked BELGE, pink on the right marked BELGE and FAIT EN BELGIQUE
2. difference in height
3. topaz BELGE
4. pink BELGE below base, FAIT EN BELGIQUE inside the bowl
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2019, 05:36:04 PM »
1. two Inwald vases # 9458 pink and amber, both marked FAIT EN BELGIQUE
2. top view
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2019, 05:38:34 PM »
1. pink PAVILLONS      MADE IN BELGIUM
2. MADE IN BELGIUM
3. PAVILLONS
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2019, 05:45:20 PM »
1. pink 'star' pattern PAVILLONS   BELGIQUE
2. PAVILLONS
3. BELGIQUE
4. both marks inside the bowl

Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

 

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