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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2018, 04:17:17 PM »
Hi Anne and all,
I've started a draft page about 'BELGE' marks. Do you have any more photographs you can add? (perhaps variant VSL pressed marks?)

www.hogelandshoeve.nl/bedraft/

I've just got a copy of Massart's book, but I didn't find any new clues! :) I'll work on the page more before 'publishing' it.
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2018, 07:27:05 AM »
Sorry Jay, I had not noticed your question.

I only have three, maybe four different pressed marks of VSL, either VSL or Val St Lambert in full, followed by Belgique or Belgium.
On my Pinterest page I have a board 'Signatures' with images from my own pieces and images found on the internet, please help yourself as it's easier like that. Doesn't cost anything to join Pinterest, you only need to register.
I had one bright blue Romeo bowl that was partly satin finished and the mold was extraordinary crisp, the signature came up very nice.


There's one piece, a carp on a custom made lamp base, that is catalogued in the Luxval series (not as lamp but just the carp), and this particular piece is acid marked, perhaps it was a production pre Luxval but besides that, I have no other examples, not that I know of either.

Other pieces that you might come across have a black painted and elegant cursive  VSL signature, often to be found on vases with satin finish like Girofla and Coqueret, but these are pre Luxval as well.



I remember being told once, yonks ago, that everything signed Fait en Belgique is always Scailmont, but we know now, that this is simply not true, and I have just heard another thing about VSL, that the signatures were payable  ??? 300fB the equivalent of €7,50 per piece, but that doesn't make sense to me ... Who got charged with those costs then? The client? I don't know where this wisdom comes from but for now it's just another rumour that adds to the confusion I guess.

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2019, 10:35:25 AM »
I've found three examples of the black enamel VSL mark, and yes! They're all on satine ('frosted') vases around the beginning of Luxval.
It was a very good party at New Year, but produced very poor photos ;-) so I'll get some nice sharp images for the files, and happily share later if they are of interest.
Can I suggest that the extra price might be for (all) the satine versions (which should? all have the black mark) and that your correspondent has rather misinterpreted the reason for the higher prices.

I noticed in particular this variant mark below, which I hadn't seen before.

Couldn't (yet) find a Carp to compare for you. :(
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2019, 11:09:31 PM »
Is that image yours Jay? Like you, I have never seen that one either. Can I use it please?

I wonder if these black signatures are not pre Luxval by a couple of years. Besides just a couple of pressed glass models for vases, pre Luxval there was not a lot. Everything was cut glass before that when it came to vases.
It could be possible that they were just trying to find a solution to the problem of the depression at the time, creating a few models and decided to create a whole series shortly after that.


Here's the link for the acid mark on the carp.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/21464479-charles-graffart-val-saint-lambert-crystal-carp-table-lamp


Re the prices on signature, I would not know, I've never read anything about this, I only came across that statement in a different forum but no source if where that info came from, totally new to me too.

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 09:18:16 PM »
Dear Anne,

I did another update to the Belgian pages which you can review at www.hogelandshoeve.nl/be/
I'd be happy to credit the use of the photos on the Marks and labels page, Just let me know how you'd like the credit text.
There's still a few things to fix on the pages, but I would like to put them online next week?!
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2019, 08:18:30 PM »
Thank you for the alert, Jay  :-*
I took quick photos of items from my collection today which are marked either BELGE, FAIT EN BELGIQUE, BELGIUM, MADE IN BELGIUM or PAVILLONS BELGIUM... please see also single images below

That unknown basket was made by Sindorf, pattern RECORD



Pamela
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2019, 08:23:18 PM »
pink unmarked Brockwitz, topaz FAIT EN BELGIQUE


topaz 'Brockwitz Prismen-alike'
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2019, 08:32:32 PM »
1. BELGE, similar to Sindorf ERNA
2. FAIT EN BELGIQUE, unknown
3. FAIT EN BELGIQUE, unknown
4. BELGE, unknown, same pattern but smaller
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2019, 08:37:09 PM »
1. amethyst FAIT EN BELQIQUE
2. same pattern amber BELGE
3. amber BELGIQUE
4. pink same pattern PAVILLONS BELGIQUE
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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Re: "Belge" mark in glass hen on nest covered dish
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2019, 08:42:31 PM »
1. pink butter dish BELGIQUE
2. set of four amber bowls BELGE
3. set of three pink, two are marked MADE IN BELGIUM, the smallest PAVILLONS BELGIUM
4. green Inwald'ish BELGIQUE
Pamela
Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

 

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