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Offline Frank

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Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« on: August 12, 2007, 11:24:50 AM »
Does anyone know when the term Caraffe was used in preference to the modern carafe, particularly by S & W. Also the term Intagliod (Perhaps that is correct English, though if asked cold, I would spell it Intaglioed) although S & W used it in the name of services.

I am trying to date a catalogue which uses these terms and as the catalogue is for "New" services dating any of the services would date the catalogue. Yet service numbers are widely spread not consecutive so I am dubious that all were new, perhaps new items in the service range.

Here is an example of: No. 16173 Intagliod Service - Caraffe and Tumbler Image courtesy The Glass-Study

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2007, 01:21:34 PM »
The -oid ending means having the appearance of so presumably etched rather than cut or engraved.

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2007, 02:14:22 PM »
It is not an oid ending.

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2007, 02:26:06 PM »
Oops  :-[ In that case I suggest just poor spelling, which isn't very helpful, because the adjective is intaglioed as you suggested

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2007, 06:25:50 PM »
Frank - it's not much help, I'm afraid, but I can confirm that Sowerby's catalogues, 1885 and 1895 have the spelling as CARAFE.

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2007, 07:25:06 PM »
At least it shows that S & W copywriters were in a different century. This catalogue is after 1890 which is when S&W started using Intaglio cutting...

Glen, You can access about 7 pages of this one so far and that includes the two Intaglio services in this catalogue. I should get the rest up this week but one page needed heavy restoration.

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2007, 07:32:38 PM »
Glen, You can access about 7 pages of this one so far and that includes the two Intaglio services in this catalogue. I should get the rest up this week but one page needed heavy restoration.

Thanks, Frank  :) I'll make sure I do exactly that tomorrow - it sounds most interesting.
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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 04:47:17 PM »
see also these related topics:

Follow up, re Intagliod is included in this post http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20233.0.html

Regarding Caraffe: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20371.0.html

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 07:58:10 PM »
Silber and Fleming uses carafe and tumbler

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Re: Stevens & Williams terminology and dating
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 05:04:01 PM »
In one of the other thread related to this catalogue, Bernard mentioned the marketplace as a factor in names.

For example the catalogue includes both Jugs and Pitchers - usually assumed to be exclusive to UK/US markets. The 'Pitchers' appear to be large sized jugs.

In this case I do not think S&W were considering this, the price list mentions their London showroom, New York and Hamburg addresses. Also I got this catalogue from Australia/New Zealand and it has been rubber stamped with the company name "Gilbert J. McCaul & Co."

In the January 1950 Pottery Gazette & Glass Trade Review in the Glass Study, this company is described as (page 90) "Gilbert J. McCaul & Co., Ltd., an old-established ex­port house." and mentioned in a tea-pot advert on the back cover: "Near & Middle East, Central & South America, Portuguese East & West Africa, India, Kenya Colony, Mauritius, Fiji Islands, Ceylon: Gilbert J. McCaul & Co., Ltd., 16, St. James’s Street, London, S.W.1."

A quick scan through some other trade directories show that McCaul do not appear to advertise themselves - so until I have them all digitised so can locate them anywhere in the directories, cannot trace any more data. If anyone knows anything more about this company please post, thank you.

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