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Offline glasstrufflehunter

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Buyer beware
« on: August 30, 2007, 02:26:47 PM »
I have seen twice now on Ebay, Millefiori paperwieghts that were scratch signed(Or acid etched, can't tell) with the signature "Veni" and sold as Murano. They were clearly Chinese. In one case the seller said they bought the pieces from a European seller.

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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 06:40:09 PM »
I've noticed these, one would think the Veni sign. lends itself to be confused with Venini for those who have not seen real Venini marks.

 
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Offline Leni

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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 08:21:25 AM »
It does seem as if the producers of these items are now using Italian sounding names in order to make buyers believe they may be from Murano.  Isn't 'Verrucci' another of these I recall seeing mentioned? 

Also, I have noticed that there have recently been appearing on ebay and in charity shops large numbers of the 'Bohemian' faceted flower weights, often with frit names in the top.  Could it be that someone somewhere is churning out copies of these?  There are rather too many, looking very new and 'in perfect condition' for them to be genuinely old Bohemian weights!  Well, IMHO anyway. What do other collectors think? 
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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2007, 03:57:16 PM »
Leni,
I have mentioned this previously (but not in a post on the specific topic, I think).  I go to the Naschmark in Vienna every second week or so, but at least on a monthly basis.  I have seen, in recent months, an increase in Bohemian weights that is inconsistent with the amount that I believe are original.  Also the condition of these weights make me think that many may be copies. With my limited knowledge it also seems that the originals are almost always chipped or damaged and the stall holders clearly know the difference.  When you compare a chipped piece with a perfect piece and the chipped piece is similar, but 2-3 times more in price, I get this funny twitch ;D
In their defence I have to say that the weights are very good and another thing that makes me think twice is that many of these weights are very heavy for their size.  It can of course be argued that many of the copiers use heavy/less refined glass as a matter of course, but this is changing if you look at the modern Eastern weights.
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Karel
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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2007, 11:23:26 PM »
Karel,

If possible, get some pictures of the displays in those stalls in Naschmark.

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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2007, 08:43:18 AM »
Hi,
I'll see what I can do about the pics if I go there this weekend.
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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2007, 11:08:56 PM »
About "Verrucci", as mentioned by Leni ... see this message from Nov 2005 which was started by Leni and, after Ray suggested Chinese, imported to Italy, I managed to find out a bit more info - but not a lot. Since then, I have found nothing further that helps to confirm anything, but I still think that "Verrucci" was a trade name used by an Italian outlet (not Murano) for tourist items and included imported Chinese weights.

For the "Bohemian faceted" weights, it would certainly be good to see some photos of the current ones. Heavily faceted "flower" weights have been made in the recent past in Hungary and possibly remain as current production. Also, tall faceted weights (but I can't recall if they were flower types) that were often confused with Strathearn items were made in modern times in Portugal.
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Offline Leni

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Re: Buyer beware
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2007, 08:10:03 AM »
Thanks for that information, Kev.  Oh yes, it was me who originally asked about Verrucci, wasn't it!  Ooops!  Put it down to old age creeping on!  :-[  ::)

There's a few of these faceted 'Bohemian' weights on ebay at the moment, and I saw at least three at the weekend as we went on our usual Sunday afternoon antique hunt! 
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