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Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« on: January 26, 2008, 12:50:14 PM »
Could glass made by Auguste Walther or Sachsische Glasfabrik Radeberg be marked with the moulded word "Czechoslovakia"?

(Apologies if this is a silly question  :-[)

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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 01:30:34 PM »
Very reasonable question, Glen.
Given our discussion regarding the 1930s book published by Hippmanova, it may well have been possible, particularly if the companies could not meet demand for products? Do you have an image of items in question?
I will be happy to see what there is in new materials.
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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 07:30:17 PM »
Glen, Marcus et all, since I know that both Walther and Inwald marked 'Belgium' & 'Fait en Belgique'  I do not believe in any origin anymore  :cry:
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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 07:42:15 PM »
urgently awaiting
Glen's pattern!  :angel:
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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 07:59:48 PM »
Hi Pamela,
You bring up a valid point, and what is not clear is the information about moulds, and licensing. I am increasingly aware of items from CZ designs, which have Italy stamped on the base. Licensed? a mould purchase? a straight copy? who knows? and I am less than confident it will be possible to find out. As you are aware, regarding the Hortensja and Rosice vase, who can say which came first, like-wise Rosice pattern number 5123, which a new pattern book discovery shows is clearly the same vase as VLG Lausitz pattern "Gent", but who produced the vase first, and when? Lausitz is definitely producing in 1969, their catalogue tells us so, and Rosice pattern number shows a date after 1965, as the number is later than transferred moulds from Nemsova, in Slovakia, but we have no way of being certain that this mould was not also a transfer from that factory, in which case it could be much earlier. Yet the pattern is clearly the same as a fruit service and plates in pattern number range 200-204, produced by Rosice in the mid-1950s.
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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 08:29:20 PM »
Could the moulds have been replaced over such a long period? I have some US catalogues that also list all of the mould numbers and some models had several changes/additions between catalogues. Span is probably 10 to 30 years, all undated :(
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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 08:44:34 AM »
Sorry for the delay - I will post good photos and details very soon. Apologies. :-\

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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 07:33:18 PM »
Again, apologies for the delay. I have posted my photos here. I'll explain below what the puzzle is.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Walther_Czech_Puzzle.html

The photos show a marigold Carnival cakestand (top view and base view) and a detail from the foot of the item that shows the moulded word Czechoslovakia. You'll see that part of the star pattern on the base is "cut away" to accommodate the word.

Also you'll see a vaseline Carnival cakestand in the same pattern.

These items are a puzzle! At the foot of the webpage is a small extract from the Walther 1932 Export catalog (or possibly from the Walther 1931 catalogue) showing a pattern called Hindenburg. The same pattern was shown in a previous Radeberg catalogue too. It is similar to the pattern on the Carnival cakestand, although I feel there are some important differences.

Is it the same pattern? Did Walther make these cakestands and put the moulded word Czechoslovakia on them? It's got me puzzled.

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Re: Question about Radeberg and / or Walther
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2008, 06:56:52 PM »
Glen, thank you for your personal inquiry, which I prefer to answer here:
Your cakestand has two 'diamonds' whereas Radeberg/Walther have only one.
The star in the centre is completely different.
It is obvious that the star base was partly cut off and then engraved Czechoslovakia.
Radeberg made their own moulds of very high quality, could it be that they sold moulds with different, but similar patterns elsewhere, as Marcus said?
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