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Offline Tony H

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2005, 10:52:08 AM »
Bernard
I read it somewhere not sure where he published a lot of books, may have been one of the books on vaseline glass!! or Victorian glass.
will try and find out

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2005, 11:06:22 AM »
Bernard and Tony - my understanding is that William Heacock began naming the patterns in his second book on Opalescent Glass. He then continued this in the journal "The Glass Collector" (esp issues #5 and #6 1983). He did note in issue 5:

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Surprisingly, even with new research being published in England, the writers there tend to shy away from officially naming patterns, preferring instead to stick with original numbers and names (when known). We Americans tend to collect by name, so I trust my British peers will forgive a "foreigner" for naming glass of English heritage. I too have English ancestry, which somehow helps the guilt I am feeling".


I do understand his point of view to an extent. It IS easier to remember a name than a number, there's no doubt about that. But on the other hand I don't like some of the names he chose, and it does seem wrong to use contrived names where the correct factory pattern number is known.

Having said that, I am guilty, to some extent, of doing a similar thing. I have named a lot (yes a LOT) of Carnival Glass patterns that previously had no known/reported name. In one or two cases I have since found an original name and have then continued to refer to the patterns by their "new" name as well as the original one.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2005, 11:11:58 AM »
As a PS to my above message, Bernard, I don't think Heacock actually named the patterns "just to force people to buy his book".

I really think he did it with the best of intentions, as he genuinely felt there was a need for collectors to have something easier to pin the patterns down with. And having said all that in Heacock's defence, I admit to always having a strange (slightly inexplicable and somewhat irrational) shudder of dislike when I am forced to use those (contrived yet well meaning) pattern names.

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2005, 11:29:59 AM »
Thanks, Glen, I hear what you say!

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2005, 01:08:03 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2005, 07:58:20 AM »
Hi Glen,

Whats wrong with just calling the suites may the names that Davidson gave them e.g the 1896 suite, the 269 suite, the 945 suite etc ?

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2005, 08:09:45 AM »
Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all Chris. I totally agree with you and Bernard. That's why I said that "it does seem wrong to use contrived names where the correct factory pattern number is known." I would much prefer to use the original suite numbers etc where they are known.

I was simply playing devil's advocate. William Heacock is long deceased and can't answer for himself, so I was just trying to put his point of view over so as to give an understanding of why the "pattern naming" took place. I wasn't saying I agreed with it - I was just helping to explain why Heacock did it. I am sure he had the best of intentions. Effectively it has become part of glass history (albeit recent history) and I feel it's important to know the facts and the context in which the controversial "pattern naming" took place.

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