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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
Connie Swaim's article on flower frogs is worth a read: http://www.bullworks.net/ffg/articles/swaim.html - it doesn't give the origin/etymology, but is interesting, nonetheless.


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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2008, 01:10:17 AM »
Frank, Marcus et al — Please exercise caution when checking specialist words in major dictionaries.

In December 1993 I wrote to both Chambers and Oxford about what they had as codswallop, and we all know should be coddswallop.   

Actually, I had no idea. I thought it meant a load of what might be referred to as bovine excrement. As in "what she said was a lot of cod(d?)swallop". What does it really mean and what does it have to do with glass (if it is not obvious by the definition.

codswallop
said to be from 19c. (but first attested 1963), perhaps from wallop, British slang for "beer," and cod in one of its various senses, perhaps "testicles."

codswallop. (n.d.). Online Etymology Dictionary. Retrieved February 19, 2008, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/codswallop

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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2008, 01:31:44 AM »
Here you are Carolyn, all about Hiram Codd and his glass-bottled wallop. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codswallop


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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2008, 01:35:49 AM »
Here you are Carolyn, all about Hiram Codd and his glass-bottled wallop. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codswallop

Well, what do you know. We're both right and I've learnt something new today. All is good.  :hiclp: :chky:

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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2008, 08:20:02 AM »
Also a interesting article on the cloud glass web site   http://www.cloudglass.com/Frogs.htm


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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »
I had never heard the term "frog" (in this context!) until I joined this Board.  Sowerbys, Davidsons and, I think, the rest of the North East pressed glass industry certainly didn't use the word.  The round or oval, chunky or cauliflower-shaped things with holes through them were called flower blocks, always abbreviated to blocks.  Everything else, whether flat discs with holes or star shaped or shaped like a DIY fire escape or with a lady sitting on top was called a flower holder, usually just holder.

Whether the word frog was used before my time and has been resurrected or came from some other part of the industry (or pottery?) or whether block and holder were too boring for the trendies who took over the world later I know not!

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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2008, 02:12:25 PM »
P.S. - My wife prefers screwed-up chicken wire.

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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2008, 02:23:28 PM »
And, how, may I ask, does your ingenious wife obtain wire from screwed-up, presumably battery, chickens?

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Re: Large Hanging-sided Pink Bowl
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2008, 06:12:25 PM »
 ;D Interesting article Anne

That eventually lead to an 1962 advert using the term http://www.bullworks.net/ffg/downsco/downsco1962.html but that seems to be the only example. The earlier patents cited all use the term 'flower arranger'.

I suppose that collectors adopted the term from somewhere to give a generic term for all the different terms that can seen on the various sites and with such a following, not just for glass ones, I would have thought it reasonable as a generic term but not so reasonable when discussing individual examples where known catalogue use other terms. But having been in use for at least 46 years surely it has qualified as 'common usage'. Even if its root was the inspiration of a marketing person somewhere.

The IT world is riddled with newly invented and often obnoxious terminology that is rapidly added to dictionaries. Often with no relation to what the thing is being described.
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