Topic: Gillinder or Old English? Help needed

[alexander]

Hi, this one came to me from the US, at first I thought "Old English", when it arrived I became uncertain,
as I can't find any cane matches to other OE's. So now I'm wondering if it may be a US made Gillinder weight.

It's a small weight as far as OE weights go, a little over 2.5".
Concave, polished, base. Canes set up in a typical OE fashion with a porthole at the base.
Also typical OE colors and cane style.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks

[tropdevin]

Hi Alexander

I cannot match it specifically to any OE maker, and the white canes do look similar to those in Gillinder weights.  So as it came from the US, I would think Gillinder is a strong possibility - and as he learned his trade in England, the style would be OE.  I don't know what colours appear in Gillinder weights though.

Any idea of the SG?

Alan

[alexander]

No ideas on SG - how do you suggest I go about measuring?
If I am to measure I'd like to use the same methodology as you so that our results would
be comparable.

Bob Hall's OE book mentions some Gillinder weights with pictures, so I will probably settle for "Attributed to WTG"
for the moment. It lives alongside my other OE weights even tho it should probably be in the US section   

After I posted this I discovered a NEGC weight with what looked like a typical OE style cane,
item 230225297544 (which I think I should have bid on in retrospect). Undeniably NEGC
with the eagle and the pontil, the two cranberry/white canes at 3 o'clock and 8.30
look very OE to me so I was suprprised to see them there.

[alexander]

An interesting development.
I received the Selman catalogue yesterday, the spring auction 2008.

On page 16 they have a weight from the Alschuler collection whose canes match this weight.
It is identified as Gillinder and Sons 

So I'm pretty comfortable with this being id'ed as Gillinder.
On a personal note I suspect the old man himself, mostly based on the Gillinder weights showed in Bob Hall's book.

[tropdevin]

Hi Alexander

It may well be a Gillinder weight, but do remember that both Selman and Bob Hall make mistakes!

At least a dozen weights in the Bacchus chapter of Bob's book are not Bacchus, for example.....and Larry Selman keeps on referring to '1848' Arculus weights as 'Antique Whitefriars'.

Regards

Alan

[alexander]

Hehe - my pet peeve re Selman - you'd think they'd catch on about those "antique Whitefriars" weights.
There is one in the most recent catalogue.

One reason I do give this attribution more weight is that it is being sold from a collection put together by serious collectors.

I would like to see more samples of Gillinder's millefiori work tho, the books I have don't show
very much detail of the mf, but the turtles etc get a mention everywhere.