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Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« on: February 26, 2008, 05:49:10 AM »
Hi Everyone,
Just got this little piece.
It is painted inside and outside, and looks like it could be a little box, maybe missing the cover.
Has an unusual shape which is why I bought it.
It looks very old and has losses to the paint.
Looks like it was rubbed off on the outside, and inside looks like it flaked off.
Any thoughts? Date made, country, maker?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 08:30:23 AM »
Looks French, early 20th century. I would be thinking maybe Legras

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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 09:30:37 AM »
I have not seen one of those for years, they were around a lot in the 80's a poor mans cameo/enamel. I don't think they were Legras which were pre WW1 enamelled, later Legras was mostly cameo. It was a Legras lamp in the Ysart family that inspired their attempts to create cameo too.

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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 08:39:03 PM »
Hi Frank,
Do you mean they came up a lot in the market during the 80s? or they were produced in the 80s?
It really doesnt look like something made in the 80s.
Also, I think it had a signature on the top right corner.
You can see it on the 2nd photo. 
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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 10:08:47 PM »
No they mostly came out of house clearances.

Hadn't noticed the signature before! Not Legras but it is similar to Louis Damon, a French decorator from c1887 but probably not close enough. It could be a facsimile of a signature from a painting that was copied.

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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 10:18:09 PM »
Found it.

Lamartine, French-Algerian decorating firm, they decorated with acid and enamel, firing in a muffel oven - perhaps this one missed the firing.  ;) c.1920

Marcus might have the source document Sammelschrift des Internationalen Kunsthistorischen Symposium, Srni, 1984. České Secesni sklo, Prague 1985

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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 09:50:28 PM »
Hi Frank!
Thank you so much for the information!
I know it doesnt look like it was ever fired.
Maybe I should put it in the oven and see how it turns out :D
It is a very curious piece, at least for me.
I'll see if I can find other online to compare it to.
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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE!
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 10:27:04 PM »
Quite a few, it seems that no-one wants to identify it as Algerian glass, too obscure I suppose so they drop that word from French Algerian. Irritating as it obscures truth.

However in 1856 a Lamartine did have a Paris glass gallery and as with many modern retailers he could have set up a sweat-shop to exploit cheap labour and with lower standards poor firing could result.

This New York Times article adds some colour http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9904E1D81039E134BC4A51DFB467838D649FDE&oref=slogin

but it does my eyes in, I do wish people would make more effort when digitising material than just upload sloppy scans!

While researching my Bibliography I noticed that some titles are being offered as Print on Demand, aka, P.O.D. with the rider that images do not reproduce well. Pure and utter laziness! Or the pages have been REDUCED to fit a convenient format. The Glass Study is digitising old material on glass and EVERY image is cleaned and optimised to the extent that most are clearer than the originals! One example printed in 1910 and available in original volume for from $5 to $70, the print on demand version is $200... I mean, come on! Then one US seller offers photocopies of mostly 19th century articles at around $10 a page with the condition that you do not use the material  ::) Do people actually pay for this?

Just 30 Euros a year is all I ask in the glass Study and eventually it will contain over 100 original catalogues with the contents cleaned and broken up so you can locate by period, maker, region and type of glass. Comparing similar items from different makers side by side. And, many out of copyright books and other original material, with annotation to alert to problems with data, plus in copyright books and journals are available as full text indexes so that you can locate the pages on which references are to be found, you still have to buy the books. Some of the material you cannot buy, I or other members own it. Only 400 titles planned, a dip in the ocean of glass publications through history but some members are contributing material too. As well as other facilities to enhance research. It is also supporting multiple languages although only German is effective so far. I need some help for the other major European languages. On top of that I intend to divert part of the income to a charitable fund to preserve glass websites ad infinitum. Feedback from front page visitors "Too expensive, no way I will pay. But I want to look" - I am a researcher not a marketeer. I suppose if I put them on CD's I would make money but this way the material can be commented and used by authors to produce their books by interpreting and enriching the material.

Sorry for ranting here but I just got a Bee in the bonnet about misinformation that looking into Lamartine and my bibliography research has highlighted.

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Re: Little Painted Glass Box FOREST SCENE! -Lamartine
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 09:02:19 AM »
Hi

I wanted to dig out this topic as I recently found a very stunning piece of signed Lamartine - (and incidentally realised I'd seen quite recently other Lamartine pieces that had been resigned with other 'better' names!).

Having done a bit of my own research It looks to me that the name Lamartine has nothing directly to do with the M. Lamartine (the Author) in the 1850s except that the glassworks was probably in the town named after him  - Lamartine is in the region of Alger (Algiers to English speakers) in Algeria - and yes it was there c1920

Has anyone else got any further information on the Lamartine Glass works?

Its not often we get to discuss African glass

cheers

Mike

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