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Offline Ivo

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peppa and salt
« on: April 01, 2008, 02:50:20 PM »
Does anyone recognise a pepper n salt? There is a little rubber stopper underneath marked

SUBA-SEAL
PAT NO.469982   31

Not sure if it refers to UK or US patent....

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 03:07:04 PM »
Probably UK, number doesn't seem right for US. Too old to check via online DB. Suba-Seal the trademark seems to belong to William Freeman Ltd of Barnsley, Yorkshire,

"Class 21:Small domestic utensils and containers (not of precious metal or coated therewith); kneeling pads for domestic use; draining boards and hot water bottles."

There are other rubber applications, mostly by the same company. First filled as a trademark in 1966 and still current

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 11:08:55 PM »
US pat no 469982 refers to a buckle (filed 1891) so not that, Ivo. 

Incidentally, has anyone else found this yet? Google patent search http://www.google.com/patents seems to be mainly US patents at the moment and still in beta, but could be useful. :)
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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2008, 05:47:13 AM »
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... Suba-Seal the trademark seems to belong to William Freeman Ltd of Barnsley, Yorkshire,

"Class 21:Small domestic utensils and containers (not of precious metal or coated therewith); kneeling pads for domestic use; draining boards and hot water bottles."

There are other rubber applications, mostly by the same company. First filed as a trademark in 1966 and still current.

A Barnsley glassworks, perhaps?   Unfortunately the finish is not what you would expect from a Barnsley manufactory.   Looks to me possibly early Habitat (founded by Terence Conran in 1964, specialising in simple uncluttered design with a very tight control on costs).

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 06:59:33 AM »
Probably assembled and packed in the UK. I recall having a wooden S+P with a Suba-seal seal in the late 1970s. I reckon you are looking at 1970s possibly 1980s. I suspect the seal is a red herring re place of glass origin.

You can search both the UK and US government patent and trademark bases, but only as far back as they are digitised. When I was abstracting patents in the 1980s the US ones were all in the 1,000,000s

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 08:42:30 AM »
Glass-Study is including all Class 56 patent abstracts from 1855-1900.

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2008, 09:56:25 AM »
which won't be much use for little rubber seals. Much better than the plastic ones that superseded them. I reckon Ivo's S+P dates to between about 1965 and 1985, purely on the basis of the seal

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2008, 11:31:13 AM »
One is in reasonable nick, the other is brown and crumbly so probably toward the earlier years. And the design leans on Wirkkala, so sixties would be feasible.

@ Bernard: unsure of how to read you ; what finish would you expect from a Barnsley glassworks - top or crap?

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Re: peppa and salt
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
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... the other is brown and crumbly ...

Salt corrosion.

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... Bernard: unsure of how to read you ; what finish would you expect from a Barnsley glassworks - top or crap?

Top.

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