Topic: Etchmark help:

[Jay]

Can anybody tip me off about this etchmark on a (quite undistinguished) round cut-crystal bowl?

[Frank]

I can see nothing in Hartmann close to this, it looks more sandblasted than etched. so latter half 20th C is probable.

Someone might recognise the bowl if not the mark.

[Sue C]

I think it is an incompleted Dartington mark.

[Anne]

Complete Dartington mark here for comparison:    http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-29

[Jay]

I'd actually discounted this possibility because all the recorded marks seem to have a break in the outline, whereas there is clearly no break in the etch mark.

Is there a more recent mark with a continuous outline? (then it would seem more possible)

[Ivo]

I'd say it is a Riedel mark with issues.

[Jay]

Ok so I've spent an hour looking...

The only mark for Riedel I can find is in your book Ivo, and it bears no resemblance to this in any way.

Please explain!

[Frank]

Hartmann has several marks but nothing like this, but then it is to modern for that. I had wondered due to the similarity with CG's seconds mark if it was a G with a seconds mark. Riedel used sandblasting since 1960 but would they sell seconds and a G rather then CJR? I thought they only do stems now.

[Ivo]

Riedel varies from year to year; on principle it is CR or JR with 1, 2, 3 0r 4 strokes around it, the location indicates the year.

[Anne]

Ahhhh Ivo, a light bulb just came on... is this a Riedel mark?    http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2914