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Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« on: April 30, 2008, 07:18:29 PM »
I found this paperweight for sale, and wondered whether it was Paul Ysart or not. I love the description 'wobbly', though I am not sure what it refers to.

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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 07:45:46 PM »
A lot of these badge weights have a very rough and proud pontil scar and no relation to Paul Ysart, Kevin recently discussed these in another thread here...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20728.0.html
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 11:44:07 PM »
I have great difficulty in deciding anything about many of these badge weights. Base finishes with a proud / wobbly pontil area seem to be quite common. In the past, I would have said these were not by Paul Ysart simply because of the way the base was finished. My feeling is that "wobbly" pontil lumps were more common on "German" gift-type weights - since I have seen similar finishes on large weights that have been said to be "German" (or late "Bohemian").

But I am now not so sure of that any more. Or of anything when it comes to badge weights ::)

It would be great if somebody could provide definite information on the charateristics of these weights by other known makers.
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 12:04:13 AM »
Are there samples of known PY badge weights? Ones that we can be pretty sure of the attribution?

I keep hoping to find one with a cane or even parts of a cane that can be said to be scottish - time will tell I guess  :)

Maybe the color schemes may indicate a country of origin - I see pedestaled weights sold from Belgium from time
to time on ebay that appear to use a pastel/pink/white scheme - some with decorations to indicate a
french speaking origin.  Can't find any right now tho.
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 12:48:04 AM »
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Are there samples of known PY badge weights?
I don't know of any that can be 100%, beyond any doubt, attributed to Paul Ysart! Can anyone reading this (a dealer, perhaps) confirm otherwise?

However, I have a stemmed and footed version and the shape of the foot and stem does look quite like that on a confirmed Paul Ysart weight that I have seen in literature somewhere. Can't think where that is though, right now. But similar stems and feet, without particular features, may appear on items from various makers.
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 09:22:40 AM »
Did anyone ask Paul Ysart about these? No mention in Alison's article which was primarily based on interviews. Is Simmond's the first mention in print, has anyone asked him his source?
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 01:15:23 PM »
This stemmed and footed weight with a sulphide of St Hubert is virtually certainly Belgian.  The description of the two pontil marks sounds just like the similar badge weight that are sometimes attributed to Paul Ysart, but I guess the manufacturing process is standard.

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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 05:12:27 PM »
I have a letter from Colin Terris in which he told me Paul Ysart confirmed he made these badge weights and sold them all out of the back door at Moncrieff's Glassworks. Colin also recalls that servicemen would take a badge to Paul and few a few pennies he would put it in a weight.
I personally have never seen any evidence that badge weights, containing badges from British Regiments, were made by anyone other that Paul. Can we sometimes be too clevere ?
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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 01:40:43 PM »
The knowledge of the paperweight collectors on here is very impressive :clap:
But saying about being too clever, i would think 'wobbly' in this instance, just means it
doesnt sit flat on the table and wobbles a bit ;)

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Re: Wobbly Ysart paperweight ID - help please Kev H!
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 07:18:39 PM »
I agree with ALexander that it would be great to find a signed badge weight or even one with canes in that could be identified and attributed to an artist but I have never seen one.
The closest I can get is a Vasart weight I have containing a brass badge of the Arms of Perth set on a pale blue base with canes running round the perimeter
Dave

 



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