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A rather ornate celery vase?

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Glen:
Hi fiddlesticks - I'm a bit puzzled (happens a lot nowadays  :lol:)

You said

--- Quote from: "fiddlesticks" ---thanks everso for the info Glen, suppose it's pretty much the same but UK and USA call it something different.
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What is it that the UK and the USA use different terms for?

BTW, I think your piece is a vase - and a splendid one too!

Glen

fiddlesticks:
are we opting for more of a vase than a celery vase then folks, seems a good difference of opinion. :lol:

Glen:
This is quite an interesting point...

When is a vase not a vase? When it's a celery. So what are the defining characteristics that make a celery a celery and a vase a vase? I think it's fair to say that pretty much all celeries could double up as vases, yet all vases couldn't double up as celeries.

I tend to think of a celery as having fairly specific proportions, whereby it's not tall and elegant, but is instead, more of a chunky shape.

And to muddy the waters totally, what would you call this shape? (Apologies at borrowing someone's eBay auction just to illustrate a point about shape)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNIVAL-GLASS-CELERY-VASE_W0QQitemZ7342214624QQcategoryZ16QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's often called a celery. To make things worse, it has been termed a Chalice and is still referred to as a Cathedral Chalice in some books. In fact, according to the maker of the piece (Brockwitz) it is a Traubenspuler. In French a coupe lave-raisin. In English a celery. Now if my attempts at German and French are correct, I believe that the item would also have been used for grapes (to clean them).

Glen

ChrisStewart:
Hi All,


--- Quote from: "Adam" ---Fiddlesticks - I presume your vase has "celery" marked on it somewhere.  This was a tax fiddle in the UK (and elsewhere??) immediately post WW2.  Any container to hold foodstuffs attracted low or zero tax.  No one seriously expected it to be used for anything other than flowers!
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The government eventually got wise to this tax fiddle and introduced maximum sizes for these 'foodstuff' articles. A celery could only be called a celery if it was less than a certain size.

Regards

Chris

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Glen" ---
And to muddy the waters totally, what would you call this shape? (Apologies at borrowing someone's eBay auction just to illustrate a point about shape)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNIVAL-GLASS-CELERY-VASE_W0QQitemZ7342214624QQcategoryZ16QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Glen
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that is sooooooo spooky Glen  :wink: , just had a look at the auction and see what I have, looks exactly the same pattern to me, I have a pair.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/fiddlesticks/depressvase1.jpg

Don't the americans call this shape a spooner?  
Are mine celery vases then or are we going for vases  :lol:

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