Topic: Reg Design 826790, March 1938

[Frank]

Any ideas on maker and/or registrant please.

http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/a58c8206335deca4b3e97fdb2e2dd9e6.jpg

It is also in the Glass Catalogue under Members Projects>Numbered Glass>UK Registration Design Number>

[Bernard C]

Frank - Bagley, launched as pattern No. 3184.   See Bowey & Parsons, either edition.

Bernard C. 

[Frank]

Thanks Bernard, one day I will find a thistle item actually made in Scotland.

Item has been appropriately updated on Scotland's Glass   

[Bernard C]

... and not introduce transcription errors into the pattern number.

... and make it clear that there is some confusion over the pattern number;  for the known story see Bowey & Parsons, although the second edition may clarify the story.

Bernard C. 

[Lustrousstone]

This may not be the 3184. There are two variants of the 3184 shown, neither with a thistle in the bottom, although a thistle seem to have been an option (and even the thistle came in single- and double-headed variants). Both have stars but differing sides. Bowey and Parson then say on p55 of the 1964 catalogue version of the 3184: " An identical dish with a thistle design in the base has the registration number 826790 of 1938. However, this design is registered to FJ Cleveland & Co. and was probably not made by Bagley."  So not only is there a pattern number issue (the 1964 version was not the first 3184), there is a registration number issue!!

[Frank]

Hmmm, F J Cleveland are a patent agent so unless you have the original registration info, I would have expected them to be mentioned on it as an agent but not as the registrant who should also have been named.  Someone must have misread the papers or not worked from a second source.

Can I use your text on the item description Christine.

[Lustrousstone]

Yes,, but perhaps wait till Bernard has another look. This is what I worked out from Bagley Glass, Angela Bowey, Derek and Parsons, 2004, Second Paperback edition.

Do you have the blue book?

[Anne]

As a longshot, perhaps ask them if they still have records? http://www.fjcleveland.com/

(Reg Design 826790 not shown in Blue Book btw.)

[Lustrousstone]

Done. I had considered that but decided to wait and see if we already had the info somewhere

[Anne]

Well done Christine, let's hope for a positive reply.