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Re: Badge Weight Study - Ysart or not?
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2012, 11:32:19 PM »
I finally got my own weight photographed but cannot date the badge... or rather collar/shoulder title. Seems to be earlier than 1960 at least. More pics on eBay see Marketplace posting.

p.s. I have been a bit out of things for some time... any new thoughts on these?
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Re: Badge Weight Study - Ysart or not?
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2012, 10:09:37 AM »

Hi Frank.

My belief is that Paul certainly made a number of badge weights, including some on pedestals - but so did various Belgian / Alsace glassworks. I am not sure how to decide with some of them.  I think the somewhat untidy weights with rather coarse frit grounds that resemble Belgian sulphide weights are of Belgian origin.  I suspect that far too many are attributed to Paul.

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Re: Badge Weight Study - Ysart or not?
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2012, 06:41:17 PM »
Hi all

I asked Dave Moir (Ysart Brothers, Vasart and Strathearn) about these badge weights last year and his comment was
that all the Ysart family he worked with made them in their spare time they regarded them as a nice little sideline
with plenty of requests from all the troops stationed near Perth.

I have a Hampshire regiment cap badge weight (Picture 1). (3 1/4" diameter x 2" tall) The Hampshires became the Royal
Hampshire regiment in 1946 so the badge although not necessarily the encasement predates that. The wording and the
rose is a coppery colour although in the original badges it was gold. I assume the heat from the encasement has caused the
change although the silver remains the same.

The weight has a facet top and bottom although I don't think it was a stem as the bottom facet is very rounded and appears
fire polished.  The top facet however looks as if it was ground off with quite sharp edges. Maybe it was the holding point
while the bottom facet area was shaped?? (picture 2).

There are a few pieces of both gold and green adventurine in the ground (picture 3) so I suspect it was made by someone in
the Ysart family rather than in Belgium although I have been unable to establish whether or not the regiment was stationed
near Perth (which seems unlikely).

The base is interesting (picture 4) as it is polished and hollow ground with the remnants of a pontil. You can see the parallel
grinding marks.  The hollow grinding is very shallow which would indicate a large diameter wheel. I have asked Dave Moir
if he can remember the size of the wheels used on the paperweight bases at Vasart.

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