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Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« on: June 21, 2008, 01:30:22 PM »
Hi all,

I have just bought a very large selection of glass, and am still going through it all, but this thing has caught me eye as it is so strange!

It is a lidded dish, with some damage, modeled as a crown in pale blue glass.

http://i25.tinypic.com/rkoche.jpg


But its the registration diamond that is strange.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2w317pc.jpg

The class number at the top is 1 which is for metal, glass is 111 (3), but the rest of the number is  W (February)  G (1865)  14 for the day and parcel no.8  I think.


Can anyone help?

Barbara

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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 01:42:02 PM »
Presumably also made in metal. Possibly related to Prince Consort's death... to early for silver jubilee. Cannot think of other relevant events c'65.

Try searching for metal examples there might be some documented.
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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 01:49:55 PM »

Hi Frank

I have just got my glasses on and have found in the back of Jenny Thompsons book an entry for the 14th Feb 1865, which reads I think

Date of deposit      No Of Parcel    No of design   Name of Proprietor 

14 feb 1865               8                  183593          Alfred Edmond Edwards

Address of Proprietor

Alver Cottage Twickenham Green
Middlesex

But nothing for metal, unless the mould was metal and he forgot to change the number?


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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 02:22:45 PM »
Hi

The same crown dish made in vaseline glass is shown on page 154 of Barrie Skelcher's The Big Book of Vaseline Glass

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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 03:33:52 PM »

I have just got my glasses on and have found in the back of Jenny Thompsons book an entry for the 14th Feb 1865, which reads I think

Date of deposit      No Of Parcel    No of design   Name of Proprietor 

14 feb 1865               8                  183593          Alfred Edmond Edwards

Address of Proprietor

Alver Cottage Twickenham Green
Middlesex

But nothing for metal, unless the mould was metal and he forgot to change the number?

Hi Barbara, It's quite hard to read isn't it, but the number is 183593, by Alfred Edmund Edwards, and under the date in tiny letters it says Classes I & IV.

The British Library help page on registered designs gives:    
Class 1    Metal
Class 4    Glass, earthenware, porcelain

I haven't find anything about A E Edwards though - wonder who he was?

Wikipedia says Prince Albert died in 1861, so a bit too early for this crown I'd have thought.


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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 04:31:15 PM »
Hi Anne,

It is strange isn't it, metal and earthernware but no glass!

I can't find anything about him either, maybe an amatuer maker?

Barbara

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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 04:53:52 PM »
Glass was there, see Annes post. There are a couple of Edwards amongst the potteries in Staffs. The registrant address often is the company address where the company is not named. But of course he could also be a commissioning factor. Registering a design could easily happen several years after the design was first used so only 4 years later is close enough. Would his crown have gone on a cushion on the coffin for the service?
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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 06:46:57 PM »

I have no idea if the crown was made for the funeral, but if it was do you think it would be in a darker colour glass, as Queen Victoria went into deep mourning as did everyone else, and bright blue is a little bright and a bit in your face.

I don't think Queen Victoria would have been amused  ;D

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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 07:52:15 PM »
It could have been a good seller after the event so they just added a more colourful range, the piece could have been in production for many years.
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Re: Unusual blue crown dish with a very strange reg diamond
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 05:47:01 AM »
Hi Anne,

It is strange isn't it, metal and earthenware but no glass!

I can't find anything about him either, maybe an amateur maker?

Barbara

I found an Alfred E Edwards on the 1861 Census, age 33,  living in 4 Marlborough Hill Gardens, Marylebone, occupation sculptor. I wonder if this was the same man? I'll have a look through trade directories later - the site is down at the moment.

 

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