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Unknown mark - Dartington?
« on: August 11, 2005, 01:44:03 PM »
Does anyone know this mark, it is NOT what it says....
Original auction is deleted but here is another view of the mark in question:

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2005, 03:53:08 PM »
Just got Ivo's A-Z fact file p.40, and it looks like Dartington to me.  (turned round)
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2005, 04:24:35 PM »
Nice one, Anne EB, I agree, looks like the Dartington mark to me, too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2005, 05:02:08 PM »
Might be Dartington - if they had a variation in the mark as discussed.

The usual mark of this type has only one central bar in the D - which I think is what Lesley Jackson was referring to in 20th Century Factory Glass (page 241) as a Logo for the 1960-80s period.

Also, the regular Dartington marks shown in the books are completely joined, not in the "stencil" pattern seen on the listed bottle. And I don't think it's a case of the mark being the "non-etched" portions, as the "etched" parts cover more ground than the basic "D" outline.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2005, 05:26:01 PM »
Hi KevH,
I have an idea this may be very early, ie 1967 -very early 1970s production, and thus etched, rather than peelable labelling.
I may also be completely off.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2005, 06:14:40 PM »
I have already pointed the seller to this thread and the Moncrieff marks page.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2005, 12:54:22 AM »
I have a Dartington Athena bowl with the exact same etched mark on the base and a Dartington sticky label on the side of it.


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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2005, 01:31:19 AM »
Success! Dartington etched marked photographed and added to gallery here:
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-487


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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2005, 05:21:47 AM »
Good clear image, Anne. Thanks.

Interestingly, Jackson has "Athena" as being designed in 1989, by Charlie Meaker. (Page 60, 20th Century Factory Glass) That being so, then acid etched marks may well have been (re-??)introduced after the plastic peel-able labels were being used.

The whole issue of marks is always difficult. Taking Jackson as an example, and yes I realise there will always be limitations, there is no mention of acid-etched marks for Dartington. Likewise, when dealing with Kings Lynn and Wedgwood Glass, she states Lemington was unmarked, but I have a mint, boxed set, each glass clearly labelled Lemington, "designed by Stennett-Willson", with the Lemington kiln symbols on the box. The Wedgwood glass mark shown does not show the Portland vase. :?  :?

Perhaps we need a second edition of Hartmann, which carries us through to 2005/6, but by the time it comes out, our knowledge base will have changed. :lol:  :lol:

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Unknown mark - Dartington?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 12:01:45 PM »
With Anne's pic, even I can now see that it's a "D", but with four "exit points".

Marcus - a new Hartmann (or equivalent in English??) would be very useful. But, as you say, knowledge changes quickly, and in here we may still be well ahead of the game on many things. Another big plus for the interactive GMB  :D
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