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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2005, 08:09:36 PM » |
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At first glance it seems that whitefriar's is finnish, Holmegaard Italian, Swedishgreen could be anything and what is on the loft floor is a curious mix of Chinese (the three blue vases with apliques) , Italian, German and British.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2005, 09:37:48 PM » |
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Thanks Ivo
Will send in some better pictures and i knew i had got it all wrong!
The finish/whitefriars lol bubble vase is unmarked and very confusing, heavy and if Finish who would it be?
The Murano/Holmegaard vase is really big 16" and is cased white? Did murano make glass vases/jugs this big?
Green thing looks old and again i have no idea to be honest, loft glass is only the start must be 300 pieces up there?
Thanks again!
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 12:14:11 AM » |
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what is on the loft floor is a ... Chinese (the three blue vases with apliques) Ivo, can I ask please... the blue Chinese vases... were these *ever* made by Murano or is every vase in this style Chinese? |
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 12:53:47 AM » |
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How exciting!
PLEASE put them up one by one. It is a great opportunity for lot's of us to learn heaps. I really like the second turquiose one.
Ruth
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 03:20:34 AM » |
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Coffee set is Midwinter, Queensberry pattern designed by David Queensberry.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2005, 06:45:04 AM » |
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if Finish who would it be? Gunnel Nymann - the most prolific designer of controlled bubbles Green thing looks old and again i have no idea Riihimäki is possible, what is the bottom like? Did murano make glass vases/jugs this big? the piece is Italian not Murano - the largest makers of "Opalina" (i.e. Italian for colour cased over white) were in the Florence region. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2005, 12:26:54 PM » |
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 Hi, The two little vases beside the bubble bud vases on the loft floor look the right shape to be Anchor-Hocking. Are they deep red, mould-blown with a crinkly rim, and do they have an impressed "Anchor" shape on the base? I see these around, priced between £4-£8 each. My Grandpa had that Midwinter coffee-set! |
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2005, 12:54:19 PM » |
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.. the blue Chinese vases... were these *ever* made by Murano or is every vase in this style Chinese? I would not be surprised if they did something similar in Italy (not necessarily Murano) but I can not recall ever having seen one with a proper Italian provenance. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2005, 01:14:10 PM » |
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Hi, The two little vases beside the bubble bud vases on the loft floor look the right shape to be Anchor-Hocking. Are they deep red, mould-blown with a crinkly rim, and do they have an impressed "Anchor" shape on the base? I see these around, priced between £4-£8 each. My Grandpa had that Midwinter coffee-set! They look like AH to me as well Sue. I have a pair of them and a taller slimmer vase in the same style. Stacey you might find this site of interest for your Anchor Hocking glassware: http://www.anchorhockingmuseum.com/index.html (this is what I call a labour of love!)  Also, I noticed some bubble based bud vases just behind them... one of the board members has a terrific site all about bud vases and who made them: http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/ |
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2005, 01:15:37 PM » |
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what is on the loft floor is a ... Chinese (the three blue vases with apliques) Ivo, can I ask please... the blue Chinese vases... were these *ever* made by Murano or is every vase in this style Chinese? I see these often described and sold as Murano, but I have had a couple in the past and felt that they were rather crudely made. I described mine as being most likely Chinese, and didn't get a sale. :? I've found Angela Bowey's link on Victorian copies which might be of interest. http://www.glass.co.nz/Chinese.htmlAnne E.B. :lol: |
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2005, 01:39:29 PM » |
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.. the blue Chinese vases... were these *ever* made by Murano or is every vase in this style Chinese? I would not be surprised if they did something similar in Italy (not necessarily Murano) but I can not recall ever having seen one with a proper Italian provenance. Thanks Ivo. This is interesting as my mother has two in a vivid orange which her uncle brought back from Italy on a visit when I was small. She has always maintained they are Murano yet everyone else says Chinese. I looked at pics of many of the ones on sale on the net and the foot is slightly different to hers in that hers have a totally clear foot and little stem where the foot joins the body, whereas the others I've seen have the coloured part extending down further with just a clear foot.This is hard to describe well - the photos may explain it better. Mum's vases: http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-108Chinese Catalogue showing same type of vase: http://www.glass.co.nz/Chinese.html on Angela's site I hope you can see what I mean. Incidentally I have collected a number of pics of these type of vases from sale all over the net and none are the same as mum's vases. Curious! Anne, I take your point entirely, and your reply concurs with what others on the board have said before, which is why I asked the question of Ivo. Mum's vases aren't crudely made, they look and feel well-made. This is why I am trying to establish if these were ever made in Italy before being copied by the Chinese, or if it was an entirely Chinese design. Can I just ask what the bottom of those you had were like? Were they polished, ground or rough pontil marks? |
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2005, 01:56:53 PM » |
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Hi Anne,
Mine both had rough pontil marks, but the thing that made me feel that they were crudely made, was the applied flowers/foliage. These felt sharp and rough and not well "finished".
They just didn't feel quality when handled, so I was more than sure that mine were not Murano.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2005, 04:55:13 PM » |
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Thanks Anne, that's useful to know. Mum's also has a rough pontil, but the flowers feel well-made. I've just been talking to her on the phone and she's pretty certain that her uncle brought them back from Italy in the early sixties - he went on holiday there with his brother and sister-in-law until the brother died in 1968. After that, her uncle switched to going to Spain and in fact bought a villa there which he used every year until his death in 1987. So, we're pretty certain mum's pre-date the Chinese ones shown in the catalogue on Angela's webpage by some years - although that isn't proof they aren't Chinese of course. All we are sure of is that he did buy them in Italy on a visit there. We know that some glassware now sold in Murano is made in China, but do we know for how long this has been happening? Perhaps this is a question to ask of our Murano forum friends?
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2005, 09:00:15 PM » |
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Hi all
Wow thanks for all your help! I have just been to my dads house and he is sure the blue vases came from Italy (family is half Italian!) in 1968, not saying they are not from china as they could have shipped them in during the sixties!
I will get busy with the camera and post some more!
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2005, 09:52:37 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2005, 08:56:13 AM » |
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That well known paperweight artist been at it again I see :roll: Gareth |
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2005, 10:39:12 AM » |
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Bagley. 'Wyndham', I think. Pretty! does it have any marks on the bottom? The flower painting on some of the pieces looks familiar. Sort of thing described as 'Prussian' :? :? Not a pattern I know. Looks more like Walther to me! Definitely Bagley 'Equinox'. Not sure about the next one. That looks like a Walther, too, or could be Czech :? The little amber one with pinched work feet is lovely, but I can't it see well enough to decide what I think it is. Could be one of the Stourbridge glasshouses, but the colour is unusual. Could be continental. Can we see a closer picture of that, and one of the base? Don't know any of the others :roll: Leni |
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