Author Topic: Old English with etched mark  (Read 1275 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline tropdevin

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 1862
    • My Paperweights Website
Old English with etched mark
« on: July 03, 2008, 06:48:44 AM »

This Whitefriars weight - which may be a late Walsh Walsh weight - has an intriguing 'Made in England' mark which I have not seen before. I know that the US required 'Made in China' marks on Chinese weights at one point, but the canes in this weight look to be late 1940s - 1950s.

Has anyone else seen one with a 'Made in England' mark?

Overpriced, I feel.

Alan
Alan
The comments in this posting reflect the opinion of the author, Alan Thornton, and not that of the owners, administrators or moderators of this board. Comments are copyright Alan Thornton. Please feel free to contact me direct if you do not agree with my comments and do not wish to make your concerns known by posting in this thread.
 http://www.pwts.co.uk


Offline alpha

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 261
  • Gender: Male
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 01:04:35 PM »
Hey Alan - what does the central cane say - looks like some lettering?

A.


Offline KevinH

  • Global Moderator
  • Members
  • *
  • Posts: 4216
    • England
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 03:38:31 PM »
If those are letters in the central cane, then it says "I I I I" but with two opposing "I"'s being thin and two being fatter. Each part seems to be a regular, but distorted, green-sleeved cane with white core. It might be a result of parts of the central portion collapsing, leaving just four prominent canes. [These comments based on a 400% enlargement of the seller's "bigger picture" view.]
KevinH


Offline KevinH

  • Global Moderator
  • Members
  • *
  • Posts: 4216
    • England
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 03:42:29 PM »
About the "Made in England" mark, yes I've seen that before - if my memory is serving me correctly. But it was many years ago at a CPC meeting and I did not not take a photo and I can't remember the details or who showed it. Sorry.
KevinH


Offline tropdevin

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 1862
    • My Paperweights Website
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2008, 04:07:39 PM »

Here is a similar weight of mine (some canes match) - but it has no etched mark.

(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w155/rosismum/112x.jpg)

Alan
Alan
The comments in this posting reflect the opinion of the author, Alan Thornton, and not that of the owners, administrators or moderators of this board. Comments are copyright Alan Thornton. Please feel free to contact me direct if you do not agree with my comments and do not wish to make your concerns known by posting in this thread.
 http://www.pwts.co.uk


Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9124
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 05:11:01 PM »
Possibly worth getting Bernard to compare the mark to those found on Walsh glassware. I doubt a separate stamp would be used for weights!
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech


Offline Layna

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 11
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 05:33:54 PM »
hi regarding the made in england whitefriars did put made in england on the glass that was exported as all the white friars i have bought in canada has made in england on the base


Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9124
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 06:22:17 PM »
The source country identifying mark was required by the McKinley Tariff Act (1890's) for goods imported into the USA. Sometimes a label was sufficient but at other times it had to be permanently marked - not sure when it was relaxed though.
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech


Offline Derek

  • Members
  • **
  • Posts: 311
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 09:49:20 PM »
Hi all

A very interesting weight and topic

As far I can establish from various Internet sources, the McKinley tariff act (1890) originally ONLY required the country of origin to be stated eg "England" - the act was amended in 1921 by requiring the addition of "made in" before the country name - although to cloud the issue, some english exporters - eg Wedgwood were marking their ceramics "made in England" as early as 1908.

The act seems to have been repealed in 1933 or 4 during the great depression when president Roosevelt who sought to increase foreign trade by reducing existing tariffs through the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act. However that doesn't necessarily mean that the mark was removed from that date.


Best regards

Derek


Offline Frank

  • Author
  • Members
  • ***
  • Posts: 9124
  • Gender: Male
    • Glass history
    • Gateway
Re: Old English with etched mark
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 12:56:04 AM »
A lot of makers would have stopped marking as soon as possible, it was not considered a worthwhile expense. But where it was a part of standard marking it would have been continued at least until they changed the mark.
Frank A.
Please help preserve glass web-sites for posterity by donating to The Glass Study Association a non-profit organisation.
Scotland's Glass - Ysart Glass
Glass Zoo - Glass Study.COM
Commercial Czech

 

Search
eBay.com
eBay.co.uk

Enter key words
Link to Glass Encyclopedia
Link to Glass Museum
Enter
key words
to search
Amazon.com