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Offline Andy

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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 10:26:23 PM »
Martin,
i would give you a 10% profit straight away!
 ;D
In a year or 2 s time, you can probably add a nought!
Id love to know where they came from,
watch this space, im waiting for a delivery of another one, not sure its quite the same until
i open the parcel, i dont think its got a polished pontil, but im feeling confident its a 'keeper'
Andy
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 02:56:46 PM »
Ah hah!
just found this, another thinks its Monart, a bit out of my price range  ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Large-Heavy-Hand-Blown-Monart-Vase_W0QQitemZ380050474877QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380050474877&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

(Frank, seller is in Scotland though! )

Andy 8)
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 03:51:29 PM »
I am surprised he did that, I sent him a note. A lot of these have of course ended up in Scotland, almost every Ysart collector has had one or more of these at some point  :)
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 04:30:03 PM »
I bought one of those vases about five years ago at Goodwood the guy told me he bought it in Belgium.


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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2008, 07:17:31 PM »
I sent chap a polite note, he says 'Peter Holmes' ? looked at it and thought it was Vasart,
Does anyone know the name?
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Andy
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 07:27:48 PM »
Andy, it doesn't sound like he's going to take notice of you and Frank.
I looked at his feedback, not awful but it would concern me.

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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 07:45:11 PM »
Peter is probably not that familiar with Monart/Vasart, although he does makes Ysart style glassware to and his is very thick walled.

Peter Holmes    1947 –     Caithness Glass: trainee 1963, Head of paperweight team. Assistant to Paul Ysart c1963– c1970. Made Caithness jewellery after Paul Ysart left to 1977. Established Selkirk Glass in 1977. Left Selkirk Glass in 200?

Now he can be found here: http://scottish-borders-art-glass.ecrater.com/
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2008, 03:26:55 PM »
Thanks guys,
In my opinion, the sellers not doing anything wrong here , really, he has had it looked at,
and the fact that some agree and some disagree, makes me think its up to the buyer,and at that price,
it would probably only attract Monart collectors, who will have to decide for themselves!

Looked at Peter Holmes work, very nice, and very similar to both Monart and Cellophane,
this one in gold,
http://scottish-borders-art-glass.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=1134207
is very like the purple one ive just received, and put on here,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,22328.0.html
although, i think mine is probably circa mid 20thC, (just by the age wear)

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Andy
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2008, 05:45:14 PM »
There is supposed to be an attributed example in the Passau Museum, I could not find it when there and there was no-one knowledgeable to ask... always meant to write to them but the years tick by.

Why it is not Ysart.
1. Colour Palette.
2. Mould blown.
3. Metal.
4. Shape.
5. Finishing.
6. Not Ysart technique.
7. Paul Ysart said it was not.
8. Ian said it was not.
9. Nigel said it was not.
10. Frank... etc.  :sleep:

Why people think it is Monart.
1. Because sellers label it as Monart including 'reliable' auction houses.
2. Because it comes in two colours (This is of course a unique characteristic of Monart and Vasart)
3. Because Monart gets better money.
4. A Glass-maker told them it was.
5. Because it is stated as Monart on 'Is it Whitefriars' along with a rude remark about me  ;D
 ::)

Twenty-five years ago it was Schneider because
1. Because sellers label it as Schneider including 'reliable' auction houses.
2. Because it comes in two colours (This is of course a unique characteristic of Schneider)
3. Because Scheider was well known1 and gets better money.
4. Monart was a complete unknown.
 :huh:

1 Strange that a few years ago many visitors to this board did not know Schneider, but did know Monart.


Good job this one was not listed as a rare retro by a famous 60s designer working in London  ;)

Perhaps I should take Ysartglass down permanently, save me some money.
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Re: I.d. scottish vase ??
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2008, 08:00:55 PM »
Just noticed that postage to the Netherlands is 85  :o ounds!
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