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Offline Littleblackhen

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Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« on: September 05, 2008, 07:52:00 AM »
I have just bought a vase off ebay, and now I am worrying that I have made an expensive mistake.  I have also been messaged by another ebay seller asking if I want another one to make a pair, for the same price.  I thought it was quite a rare vase and am surprised someone else has one the same. Can someone advise me if I should spend more money and make a pair, or have I already been fleeced for the first one? :huh:

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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 08:08:51 AM »
Sorry Janet you have been conned it is either Italian or one of the copies from Eastern europe but probably the first but nothing like Powell or W/Fs .JP  - PS If it is Italian the price is not too bad.


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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 08:24:31 AM »
I have to say that in my opinion the use of terms like 'conned' and 'fleeced' are a little strong.  Having looked at the seller's other listings they seem genuine enough and it could well have been an innocent mistake.  Not everyone is out to con and genuine errors are easily made - I know I've made mistakes in the past and will probably unwittingly do so in the future. 

Personally, I think it's only fair that the seller is given a chance to rectify the situation before they're publicly villified and branded a conman.


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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 08:34:44 AM »
Yes sorry just got up still a bit grumpy, conned too stong ,check it out on the Italian section . but i do feel i have seen similar in one of the big stores.  - Back again had another look it also looks a little like some Frateli Toso or Seguso vases does it have any wear on the base ,if so dont send it back you may have a good deal . sorry back to bed only had two hours sleep. :mus: :sleep:


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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 08:36:00 AM »
LOL OK - I'll let you off JP  ;)


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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 10:31:38 AM »
I have just bought a vase off ebay, and now I am worrying that I have made an expensive mistake. 

Hi Janet,
 Before I looked at your ' Buy ' I imagined we were going to be talking 100.00 plus. I would not call 21.00 an expensive mistake but I can understand you feel cheated.
 I would go with John's suggestion and keep it..........  It would look nice with floers in it some time.

Best wishes , Patrick.
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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008, 10:56:23 AM »
Looking at the seller's other items, many of which can be clearly attributed, because it says what they are on the back, made me think about what we did before Ebay and the internet. One would go into a little junk shop or to a market stall in Portobello, or somewhere similar, (no offence intended towards the seller) and rummage around for this sort of stuff and on a vase such as this there might be a sticker, with a description such as Powell, or Powell? or there might be nothing at all. In either case one would enter a dialogue with the seller and ask what it was and how they knew it was that and one would get a feel of whether they knew what they were talking about, from their reply and quite possibly their body language as well, and then one could take a view as to whether it was worth buying! Most dealers would agree on purchase that if you found out it wasn't as described, they would take it back within a reasonable period.

Of course there was always the chance that the stall-owner didn't know what it was and that one could use one's own knowledge to buy something rare and unattributed for less than the market value!

Now that everything gets written down on Ebay, I often think that we assume that every seller should have superb writing and descriptive skills and also a degree of expert knowledge that probably isn't there. I am not really sure whether this is a reasonable expectation, but I would agree with a viewpoint that the sellers who can describe their goods clearly and accurately are more likely to achieve sales.

I do agree with Pip that the first thing to do is to ask the seller to take it back, since it was not as described and I also think that if you are on a tight collecting budget then £21 can be an expensive mistake. It is all relative.
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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008, 12:58:02 PM »
I have contacted the seller and we have agreed to mutually withdraw the sale.  She was very quick and ready to put matters right, so I am happy with the outcome.

I agree with the above posts that it is a lot more difficult to buy online, where people are faceless and it is easy to attribute wrong motives to their descriptions.

Patrick, I am happy for you that £26 is not a large sum for you, but unfortunately it is for me, and it would have been a blow to spend it on something of doubtful origin, so I am pleased that the sale has been mutually withdrawn.

Thanks for your quick responses.

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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2008, 01:00:03 PM »
Hello,

This vase is post-war Czech, according to Graham Cooley. There was an identical vase in the exhibition held at Kings Lynn (see the Glass Cafe for thread on the exhibition, including my review). For a picture showing this vase go to: http://www.markhillpublishing.com/page7/page22/page22.html and scroll to the second picture down - there on the front of the display............ ;)

Oh, its by Milan Metelak. I'd keep it if I were you Janet - this is a burgeoning market and I'd say worth every penny of the £30 inc p&p that you paid.

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Re: Expensive mistake? Harry Powell attributed vase.
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 01:03:04 PM »
Oh, Janet,

A thought - do you want to pass it on to me? For money of course :)

Cheers, Nigel

 

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