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Offline Gilead

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Millefori Weight - Murano concentric (not W/F)
« on: September 17, 2008, 05:52:24 PM »
Hi
   I know nil about paperweights, so i am hoping i can be helped with the proof of this paper weight which i bought as a Whitefriars Weight the cane's are a yellowy green outer sigle green in the middle with like a white flower,

The base is finished flat and polished the canes seems to jump out at you when you look at it, and if you move it they seem to part, this paper weight is quite heavy at 614g and is 3.1/4 inches in width.

There 85 canes inthe 6 rows. if all this help. please take a look at the photos and let me know your opinions.
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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 07:25:18 PM »
Hi Steve

Not Whitefriars I am afraid. The base of your weight appears absolutely flat - Whitefriars weights have a VERY distinctive button as shown in this photo. For my money, from the canes and the flat base, your weight appears to be a Murano.
Best regards

Derek


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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 09:41:04 PM »
Hi Derek.
           I have just put a steel rule over the base and for sure it is as flat as can be.

So you would take a guess at it being Murano, then it looks good and feels good, are they very collectable. this is in mint condition. very clear glass canes stand out well any idea of the age please.
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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 10:31:46 PM »
Definitely (well, 99% sure) Murano. I have not seen many of these basic concentric design weights, but that does not mean they are rare! I believe they are from one (or more) of the better makers around the mid-20th century. Most likely better quality tourist gift weights.

The fact that these do not appear in most of the regular books on paperweights could be an indication of how "collectable" they are, or it could just mean that they are collected by many folk but have not been considered as candicates for inclusion in specialist books.

I have one which I bought from a collectot friend (who visits this board) and when he bought it it was labelled up, or said to be, Scottish Vasart. I knew it was not Vasart but it took a while for me to find out it was Murano. Mine has different canes in each of the circles but the overall appearance and mid-way setting of the canes is typical.
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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 12:34:56 AM »
Hi KevH.
           Thank you for the info. it is most interesting, as i do not collect paper weights i was only taking a chance when buying it, as it looked nice when it came i was surprised as to how wonderful it looked, i can see why people collect them.

The canes and pattern just jumps out at you, in fact when looking at it your eyes go funny, i do not think it will be with me long either be going on ebay or my sister will claim it, when she sees it. Do you hazzard a guess whom made it, ie who were or are the better makers of these?
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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 09:29:29 AM »
Hi Steve

Difficult to give any firm indication on date because, as KevH says, your weight which is a simple concentric is quite an unusual design for Murano!  The setup is very neat and tidy so clearly some care has been been taken in making the weight unlike many of the "tourist" weights  - so a "better" maker and I would hazard a guess at 1970's or 1980's.

The small island of Murano has something like 150 firms but the vast majority do not make their canes but buy them in from specialist makers on the island. This has always been the way right back to the very early days when in the early 1840's, Pietro Bigaglia used canes made by Giovanni Franchini in the first paperweights so be made in Murano. There are probably as few as 4 or 5 firms that make canes on the island, so its highly unlikely that it would be possible to identify the firm who made this weight yet alone the maker!

The "quality" firms that are usually encountered are ALT and 3-Fiori. Would be worth your while contacting Jackie at  : www.muranopaperweights.co.uk to see if she can shed any more light on your weight.

Best regards

Derek

 


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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 02:44:56 AM »
I've bought canes from Moretti Glass in Murano almost 20 years ago. They've made canes for a loooooong time. They also sold under several different names at different times. I can't tell if this is one of theirs or not. I never got them to work for me as their glass had a very high COE and wasn't compatible with any of the clear crystal that I normally use.
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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 09:13:13 AM »
Hi Tom

Moretti is now owned by Effetre and has a COE of 104. Most other crystal is around COE 90. Borosilicate and pyrex Glass is around COE 33.  The bags of cut cane offered on E-bay appear to be Moretti.

Best regards

Derek


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Re: Millefori Weight (WF ?)
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 01:26:59 PM »
Hi Derek
           i got in touch with Jakie as you suggested and she was just off for a little break, so she will let me know what she as found out when she comes back, or what she knows, cant wait.

Have trawled though loads of sites since i bought this and still cant find one the same or simular, will keep looking though.
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Re: Millefori Weight - Murano concentric (not W/F)
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2008, 06:40:13 AM »
I recall having a similar weight a few years ago, and was 99.9% sure it was Murano - maybe from the 1960s / 1970s.

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