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Offline KevinH

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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2008, 10:05:17 PM »
I am currently visiting friends who have some good experience of these things and when they saw the bird, said immediately, "Wallcreeper".

Ok, head colour is not right and artistic allowance for the under body but the only bird of those colours seems to be Wallcreeper. But they do  add: "Unless it some oriental species they are not aware of".
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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2008, 04:39:01 AM »
If you're talking Tichodroma muraria , I can't see it.  The beak and toes are too short, the coloring's wrong, the body is slimmer.  If it's real, my vote is "unless it's some oriental species we haven't heard of."  Or somewhere else in the world.  It's not Australian or American, anyway, or I'd recognize it.

But I think it's a figment of the decorator's imagination.

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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2008, 05:28:38 AM »
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If you're talking Tichodroma muraria ...
That's the ony one I am aware of.

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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2008, 09:21:04 AM »
Not all glass research is directly about glass and this thread is fascinating to even a bird moron to the full astudy of a piece of glass. If the decorator used a French source book of bird paintings then it might make a better match. Trip to a large French library might help if someone is in Paris.
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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2008, 01:36:05 PM »
Yes, I agree that thoughts about the origin of the decorator's image is relevant. It is certainly true that many older (even up to early 20th century) images of birds were "somewhat representative" rather than a true rendition. And if a glass decorator's source was, say, a monochrome sketch with some textual detail then the end result could easily be quite unlike a modern photographic record (or even a sketch from an actual skin).

If a reasonable source could be found for a particular decoration, then it could help to confirm at least the period for an item.

But in terms of Ivo's original query, much of what I have said in my posts could be placed into a category of "speculation with reasoning" and the truth of the matter may well be, "It's a fictitious bird".

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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 03:12:16 PM »
Ivo I don't know if you ever did definitely id this as Legras, but I was looking at Cappa today and there is a Baccarat water set on page 179 with enamelled flowers on it that remind me of your vase.  It's probably the case I guess that they all did similar enamelled styled flowers and you've probably seen it anyway, but I thought I'd mention it :)
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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 03:53:40 PM »
Thank you for bringing that to the table. I must have seen it because it is on the opposite page of my blue Baccarat grape vase - but the enamel decoration never registered in my state of distraction. And yes, not just the branches "japonisant' but also the colour is really uncannily close.  Which makes the Japanese Nightingale a candidate for bird of the week....

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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 04:17:41 PM »
is your bird not just a plain Nightingale then? albeit with slightly stylised browns in the enamel?
http://animals.howstuffworks.com/birds/nightingale-info.htm


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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2012, 04:37:42 PM »
I think it is only the droppings of the Japanese nightingale that you can smear all over your face to eliminate your complexion.  But of course, a high fired nightingale would be entirely feasible for an enameled vase from Baccarat.   
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Re: warbler, shrike or cuckoo?
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2012, 04:54:00 PM »
I'm not sure I'd want to 'eliminate' my complexion Ivo  :o
Although I guess it might be cheeper than a facial peel  ;D
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