Topic: Ex B Or hand cut crystal vase.....czech

[norman warbreck]

The frontispiece is cut with 2 buildings which have a religious theme...and above the buildings the word....PRAHA
the base is acid stamped  Ex B Or czechoslavakia
and ideas on this piece ...other than what it states...thanks

[Lustrousstone]

The company is Egermann (Egerman?) Exbor.It was/is in Nový Bor. Praha is Prague

[Jindra8526]

Not Egermann, Egermann is post-revolution designation of privatised part of socialistic concern Crystalex from Nový Bor.

ExBor was a trade mark for exclusive glass fabricated in Nový Bor factory in sixties and seventies in divison 13, exclusive glass -> hence Ex(clusive) Bor (Nový = New - see New York :-)). Note formerly this capital of Czech glassworking had name Haida, mostly with German population before WWII.

This piece is probably from pre-revolution period, displaing Church of St. Nicolas in Prague. Please supply me more pictures if possible, I will try tu identify more details.

Best regards from Praha (Prague)
Jindrich

[norman warbreck]

thank u once again...i will take more pics next year as i am on holiday but always keep in touch with the board.
planning a trip to Prague next year as i still need to learn a lot.have so many czech pieces and at a loss at the best of times.
once again many tks.
norman
switzerland

[krsilber]

Not Egermann, Egermann is post-revolution designation of privatised part of socialistic concern Crystalex from Nový Bor.

Langhamer's Legend of Bohemian Glass shows a Crystalex trademark that says "Egermann Czechoslovakia" in the section for logos between 1949-1989.

[Jindra8526]

Langhamer is bothery communist and at that time was paid from privatised Egermann-Exbor company.

This company tried to profit from both known names - Egermann (not used in socialist Czechoslovakia) and ExBor. Probably in privatisation became trade marks their property. So the cat-dog animal had been created in 1991. Game with tradition is fine, but this was the beginning of the end of Czech glass production, factories went to hands of robbers.

I hope that attachements (page from Neue Glasrevue 2.3.92) and page from original ExBor catalogue from 1969 will explain what has happened. Sorry for German, one has to be very flexible in this country :-)

Jindrich

[krsilber]

Now I'm really confused.  In the first attachment, why would it say Egermann Czechoslovakia (rather than Egermann Czech Republic) if the Egermann name wasn't used during the socialist regime?  This short history seems to indicate that the company called Egermann-Exbor or Exbor was established in 1962.  Is it possible the official name included "Egermann" but people simply didn't call it that?

I found it interesting that the company manufactured replicas of museum pieces for a Japanese company.

[Jindra8526]

Well, seems to me that I have to explain to you a bit more.

My country changed name several time in the recently:

The main changes came on the one of 1989, when comunismus felt. Czechoslovakia however still existed up to the end of 1992. At that time the official name of state was Czech and Slovak Federal Republic. Since 1st January 1993 we are Czech republic.

Up to the end of 1990 all glassfactories and in fact all industry in Czechoslovakia was owned by state. Than on the end 1990 started so called "privatisation". I am not keen to speak about politic, so in fact in this period many factories had changed owner, some of them has been returned to relatives of original pre-socialist owners (for example Škrdlovice to family Beranek), some of them felt o hands of not very clear financial groups or financial funds.

I do not know the privatisation history of Crystalex in details, but it is apparent that one privatisation group has recieved some part of factory in Novy Bor and had estabilished Egermann-Exbor company. Naturaly Egermann-Exbor Czechoslovakia. After splitting of state to Czech republic and Slovac republic in 1993 the name has been changed to Egermann-Exbor Czech republic.

So caption Czechoslovakia doees not mean that it was fabricated in former socialist Czechoslovakia, but can come also from a short period 1990 - 1992. Note please, that also trade marks "Bohemia Glass" and "Bohemia Crystal" has silently changed after 1992 the caption from "Czechoslovakia" to "Czech republic" even looks very simmilar and for the first view same.

I will check the history of privatisation of Crystalex more details in future, so perhaps I will be able to explain what has happened with trade marks and how it has happened that those beeing used by Egermann-Exbor company. The conterporary articles in Glassrevue does not give us real true information becouse it that time Glassrevue was already financed by privatised groups. Story of big succes had very short and hard end.

[Jindra8526]

Please forget the name "Egermann" for designation pieces fabricated in socialistic Czechoslovakia. This name had not been used either as trademark nor as company name. Pieces signed ExBor are simple ExBor, let old Egermann sleep in piece.

Here are the facts from Czech company registry:

1. Company:
EGERMANN, s.r.o. (s.r.o = LTD)
Id: 62242652
Praha 1, Staré Město, Maiselova 38/15, PSČ 11001
Founded: 13.04.1995

2. Company
EGERMANN-EXBOR, s.p. (s.p. = state company)
Id: 00177105
Nový Bor, okres Česká Lípa
Founded: 31.12.1990
Likvidated: 4.10. 2000

3. Company
EGERMANN EXBOR - NOVOBOR s.r.o. (LTD)
Id: 00555045
Choceň, Husova 86, okres Ústí nad Orlicí
Founded: 01.10.1990
In bancrupcy since: 22. 9. 1997
 
4. Company
EGERMANN TRADE s.r.o. (LTD)
IČO: 27876471
Praha 1, Staré Město, Maiselova 38/15, PSČ 11001
Founded: 26.03.2007

who wants to study management flow from company to company he can do it easy at
http://obchodni-rejstrik.i-online.cz/
I will prefare to concetrate to glass an design of glass.

Note please how hidden is company history on exesting website of Egermann. s.r.o. :-) trying to suggest that Egermann has existed fluently for many years. I am sorry that Langhamer did play his role in this misleading.
http://www.egermann.cz

I will focus now to proper identifacation of trade marks and labels. I will report you the result.

Jindrich

[Sklounion]

This name had not been used either as trademark nor as company name.

Arnost, Drahotova, Langhamer. "Bohemian Glass" 1985, page 61.

Crystalex Works 1, Novy Bor.