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Author Topic: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?  (Read 1794 times)

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Offline krsilber

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There are many many examples in the US of red stained glass with engraved scrolls, prancing deer, etc. in neo-Rococo style.  I know it was popularized by Egermann, but isn't it true that other companies made similar wares?  In Truitts' Bohemian Glass 1880-1949, pp. 50-51 there are a couple Goldberg catalog pages showing the style, which they named "Egermann."  There are also exporters selling "Egermann" glass, but I don't know if it was made by Egermann/Exbor or what (here, for example).  If Goldberg called their line "Egermann," perhaps other companies did as well?

When did the original Egermann company go out of business?
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2009, 08:20:41 PM »
There are also exporters selling "Egermann" glass, but I don't know if it was made by Egermann/Exbor or what (here, for example). 

This is Egermann as in www.egermann.cz  8)
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 09:51:39 PM »
Thanks Anne - yes, the red stained stuff on that site is the style I'm talking about.

Based on information in this thread (which itself if rather confusing), it seems to me that despite the "Tradition since 1832" claim on the site, Egermann wasn't used as a trademark continuously, and the current Egermann s.r.o. was founded in 1995.  So I'm still confused.

My main question, though, is whether many other companies produced the same style glass.  Here's another site offering "Egermann" glass.  "These are unique products of the incomparable series, called after the inventor of this decorating technology, Mr. Friedrich Egerman (1777-1864) from Novy Bor. "  The "called after" seems to imply that the style is named Egermann, but it says nothing about it being produced by them.
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 09:04:05 AM »
Kristi,
the story is more difficult that you can find at official egermann.cz web site.
Old Friedrich Egermann came from Polaun (Polevsko) near Haida (Nový Bor) and the story is almost correct, he invented yellow glasing (1817-1818) and red glazing in 1832. His invention was quite soon stolen and reproduced in a lot of factories in Bohemia and abroad as well. In his work continued his sons Friedrich Egermann jun (1822-1897) who has founded his own workshop in Haida and Anton Ambroz Egermann, mentioned as glass painter. The what has happened with his workshop and ownership in period up to 1945 is not clearly described in my books, it is mentioned that in 1914 introduced Karl Pohl black glasing - teacher in Glass School in Haida. The combination of red glazing and engraving called "Egermann" had been used bz several glass rafinators in 30ties , named are companies C. Goldberg and J. Oertel but for them had worked rafinators-specialists at their home workshops from whole Haida region.

After WWII was glass indusrtry in Czechoslovakia nationalised and the national company Borocrystal n.p. (later Borské sklo n.p.) has been extabilished. The "Egermann" style rafinators F. Lichtenecker, R. Wenzel and Köning continued in their work in frame of Borocrystal and has teached next generation of specialists Josef Svoboda and Jaroslav Chlupáč.  Chlupáč estabilished in 1953 glasing workshop in Borské sklo n.p.. In 60ties and 70ties was technology of red glasing improved and in 1967 installed new glasing furnaces. Never ending re-organisationing and re-naming mania of socialist industry was crowned in 1974 when several glass factories has been unified to concern Crystalex. The Exbor as a division 13 of Borské sklo n.p. and later Crystalex was founded in 1962 like the art glass atelier in frame of factory and later concern, not separated company. The company named "Egermann" did not exist at that time. You can find the "Egermann" type of glass and ment is always the red glased glass with engraved castle or deer or rather both.


After 1989, in 1991 and 1992 was from Crystalex concern divided several factories and Crystalex privatised. In this time had been first in history introduced company as former part of Crystalex named Egermann-Exbor (in two forms Ltd and AG), this company bancrupted and the Egerman s.r.o (Ltd) founded than. Crystalex bancrupted last month, the situation of Egermann s.r.o. is not clear now. Absolutely sure however is, that this young company uses the Efermann name like a marketing icon, the traditional fabrication was totaly changed by introducing nwe technology in 60ties.

In fact many good and rich engraved red pieces called "Egermann" came just from 60ties, the recent production should be recognised from relatively ligher red colour and less rich engraving.

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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 09:55:41 AM »
Kirsty,
even the red glasing was Bohemian phenomen and the Haida (Nový Bor) region in Norther Bohemia was main producer of this type of glass for many years, after the 1945 when all German spoken Czechoslovakian citisens were expeled to Germany, the production of "Egermann type of glass was with these German glassmakers tranfered also to W. Germany - books give the names of companies Rimpler, Taube, Pech and Kunte.

I do not have any detailed information about these companies, perhaps our German friends will know something more.
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 12:45:47 PM »
Thank you so very very much, Jindra, for the excellent, informative reply!  That's outstanding to finally know - it's something I've been wondering about for years.  I was almost certain that "Egermann" had been made by several companies over a long period of time, and it's great to have my suspicions verified.  These red pieces come up constantly on the ebay PGP board, and someone always says "Egermann made it," and I've so often voiced my doubts with nothing concrete to back them up (except Goldberg I knew about).

That's very interesting about German companies making it, as well.

There are a lot of pieces that are both dark and simple and look newish, but it's hard to judge.  This one, for instance, on the ebay PGP board.

You're wonderful, Jindra, thank you again!
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 04:07:12 PM »
The piece at your link seems to me from Czechoslovakian production from 60ties.

I have pre-war vase, see the differences in precious engraving
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Re: Did others besides Egermann make red stained, 2nd Rococo engraved wares?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 06:47:44 PM »
That's lovely.  Very nice design, well engraved.

That's about what I was thinking, too, on the other vase.
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