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Offline TxSilver

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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 11:28:19 PM »
No one on the board decided that your weight was Dino Martens as far as I know. If you had asked, we would have said no -- which a couple of us did. My thoughts on your weight is that it was put together as a learning project.

The board is here to help. The members of this board have been so helpful to me in identifying things. There will be, of course, things that none of us recognize. I do think that it is important to not misuse the board.
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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2009, 11:42:51 PM »
No one replied until someone noticed the photos were missing! If you read my initial post, I was asking for help! Nearly 80 people viewed or read my post before anyone replied, and then it wasn't until someone noticed the photos were removed! And if you are inferring that I am misusing this board then I will promptly stop using this board for help.


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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2009, 11:59:50 PM »
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To look at someone's inquiry, and know something about it, and then not comment on it seems elitist to me.
This is not the case at all. Not everbody will see the enquiry on the day it is posted or even in the same week or month. Those who have viewed a post will not necessarily know anything about the item.

Even if somebody has an idea about something, or a view that the quality may not be consistent with other work, those "facts" may be held back until further research is carried out. This all takes time. In general, many users of this board prefer to offer full information rather than a series of, "Not sure, might be this, but I need to check it out" type of comment.

Posting an enquiry on one day and then placing the item on eBay very soon afterwards does not allow reasonable time for people to form properly constructive views.
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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 02:12:42 AM »
This is not the case at all. Not everbody will see the enquiry on the day it is posted or even in the same week or month. Those who have viewed a post will not necessarily know anything about the item.

:::I wholly understand this. My point was, and is, that Frank obviously reviewed the photos, formed an opinion, and simply went on his merry way without commenting. He had to have an opinion on the piece considering his reply was after the photos vanished. Did he post his thoughts about "...quality was not there" or anything to that affect? No. Instead of stating his opinion that he doubted this piece to be a Dino Martens he simply went about his way.

Posting an enquiry on one day and then placing the item on eBay very soon afterwards does not allow reasonable time for people to form properly constructive views.

:::No. You are wrong in that regard. This is not the end all be all place to find and disperse glass knowledge. There are actually people outside this board who are very knowledgeable regarding glass. Please do not assume that just because this board exists that it is the voice of god for all things glass.


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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 02:23:55 AM »
I beg all users pardon, because my English is not as good as it has to be (my italian is much better).
I think that this board is not (only) for helping people.
It is for free discussion for ALL members and so,
it is the possibility for all users to learn more about the nice world of paperweights or glass.

To "interiorforms" I will say: Be superior and try a little bit of ZEN Buddhism for your patience. :angel:

I am not amused, that the pictures are gone, because I have tried to get more information and have had the intention to study further on.
I have looked in my books ( first of all the interesting "Werkverzeichnis" of Dino Martens, which is called:
 "Dino Martens" by Marc Heiremanns - published by Arnoldsche and "Venetian Art Glass" by Marino Barovier, and so on...).
I have also phoned with my italian friends: Did Dino made paperweights?
Nobody knows it and nothing is verified, nothing is proofed.

But very often on ebay everybody told us about "gli artisti muranese, i fratelli toso, dino martens, MVM = maestri vetrai muranese ( Cappelini & Co), CVM = compagnia di vetri e mosaici de venezia e murano, AVEM = arte vetraia muranese,Venini, Martinuzzi, Zecchin, Scarpa" ..and so on!
(Murano e stato sempre un piccolo chaos come tutti gli italiani).
Every antique dealer says: better some origin, than non origin...!!!
I have had a question here on the board about a Dino Martens Paperweight, short time ago, because I am searching since 1 year, weather ( if?) he ever made paperweights.......
If you study dinos biography, it is evident: he is an designer, not a maker.
It is verified: most of his glass was made by glass workers  in murano.
First of all  by Aldo " Polo " Bon !
In Dino Martens  " Liste del Opere = Werkverzeichnis= Catalouge, is not one Paperweight.
If there is a verified Paperweight of him anywhere in the world, I will give much money! :hiclp: :chky:





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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2009, 02:55:00 AM »
Hi, Lothar. It is always good to see your name.

Most of the Dino Martens glass was probably executed by other people. As long as Dino designed it, it is considered Dino Martens. I don't know if he designed any PWs, but he could have. I am far from an expert on PWs, so I hope that people here might know if he designed some of them. Another thing I don't know is if Aureliano Toso used a Dino Martens pattern, e.g. his half filigree or "a trina" pattern, would it be considered as a Dino Martens design. He was the head of the company, so maybe it would be true??
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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 04:10:28 AM »
It appears I've started an on-going debate over whether or not Dino Martens designed paperweights...

I thoroughly research anything to which I am unsure. This piece was no exception.

This "paperweight" I initially thought was a test piece, but after showing it to a few people all immediately said paperweight. I'm used to seeing thick, clunky, high-domed paperweights, and that's when I actually pay them attention. I had no idea who or what a Dino Marten was until this weekend when a friend came over and I showed it to him. He said it was Dino Marten. Hearing Marten, I thought of some Scandinavian glass designer. Oh, no he says. Murano. Oh. I further show it to another glass fanatic. After looking it over for a few moments, she says Dino Martens. She directs me to a site:

http://www.trocadero.com/svazzo/items/770013/item770013.html

If this is not a Dino Martens "paperweight", then who designed it and who manufactured it?

and this one:

http://playwiffme.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=2882888

These, including mine, are blazingly obviously by the same manufacturer and/or designer.

If they are designs by Martens, and they are not paperweights, what are they? To me, as I've stated, they appear more like test pieces, Dino Martens or no Dino Martens.

Mine, at least, I know dates to at least the late 60s. It's been in the same home for that time. The others with black in the motif, I cannot speak for.


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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 04:17:25 AM »
I also think it rather odd that there is not a lot of reference to Dino Martens paperweights on the internet.


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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 07:16:13 AM »
A frustrating situation: I would have liked to see the pictures, but they aren't there - just the one on the site of svazzo who is really a good authority of Murano weights (from my experience).

Everyone is in quite an uproar -  now the animosity has me quite piqued!  Anyway to re-post the picture of the weight in question?


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Re: Is it identifiable?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2009, 02:44:40 PM »
Hi, as stated by others, posts are often viewed without replies being added because the viewer isn't sure, knows nothing,
needs to look up in a book etc. A lack of replies is not a snub or indication of ill will.
There have been posts sitting here for years unanswered until a member makes an ID.

Photobucket removes images automatically after a short while, hence the request that images be appended to the
thread for future viewers.

Sometimes a forum member will have an idea or opinion as to what something isn't, but that's not always helpful,
especially not early in a discussion.

Your paperweight does not share colorways with the other examples shown, and the canes were not completely encased.
This indicates to me a second, or an uncomplete, or a trainer.
The quality does not correspond to a big name maker/designer.

It may be Muranese, it may be Bohemian, it may be something else completely.

As to Dino Martens - if you are to trust eBay he has designed half the unsigned pieces of Murano glass available  ;)

If there is no mention on the internet or in books of DM designing paperweights there might be a good reason.
Like his not designing paperweights in any meaningful numbers.

You mention you are new to paperweights - so am I - I have only collected for a few years and own/have owned only a few hundred.
On this site I am a rookie - a newbie - an amateur, compared to Frank, Kevin, Alan et al.

Alexander
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