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Offline RAY

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« on: September 20, 2005, 08:49:48 PM »
just got this one off ebay, it measures 3.75" across and 1.5" high, the flower canes are sat on a pastle green ground, the set up of the canes and the looks are not very good but the base is top class not like a cheapo weight, very highly polished with a hollow ground pontil, there is a ridge around the side of the weight were the green ground meets the clear glass, i have no idea who made this good & ugly weight

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Offline EstlinClichy

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looks like Murano flowers to me
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2005, 03:36:17 AM »
The flowers look like they were made by someone in Murano, although I've never seen a base like that on a Murano paperweight. Usually, as you know, they're flat. Of course, this doesn't mean somebody isn't now doing bases like that. The flowers look chalky - like Murano.

I'm off to Italy and France and will be in Venice for a week. I'm going to turn paperweights over and look at the base, that's for sure.


Offline Leni

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2005, 08:23:10 AM »
Interesting that there is an apparently random use of two different styles in the blue flowers :shock:

The white flowers look a little bit like some Murano daisies I have seen, but that base ....  :?  And the profile  :?  :?  :shock:

Somehow I don't think Murano.  

I do like it very much, though.  Don't call it ugly!    :twisted:

Leni  :wink:
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Offline RAY

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2005, 08:19:43 PM »
if you look at the bottom row the 4th from the left is a murano daisy cane nothing like the one in this weight, but there would be more of the same design,

Leni i dont mean it's really ugly but the cane's are not well set

forgot to say the base has a lot of age related ware

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cheers Ray


Offline Leni

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2005, 10:28:27 AM »
Ray, your Murano daisy (same as in all my Murano examples) has seven petals, whereas the one in the mystery weight has eight!  

I reckon it's definitely not Murano!  

Would love to know who!   :shock:  :?  :shock:  :?  

As for the canes not being well set up, having now seen paperweight makers at work I would never criticise a cane set-up again!  :shock:  

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2005, 12:21:36 AM »
Hi folks,

I think the weight is a likely Murano (maybe 60s / 70s?).

I've been trying to locate an image of another weight with a similar base finish that would "prove" a Murano attribution. But I can't find it - maybe it's in in my old computer, which I use as an archive but rarely look at!

Anyway, the weight I am thinking of is a variation of the Murano Fish, often seen as an "aquarium" block but also as a single fish with green reeds set in a domed weight. The one in question was, in my view, rather odd because it had the fish at the top of the dome and lying on its side - as though it had died from boredom after swimming around in circles.

Leni's observation about the number of petals in the flower cane is well made, but I feel may be somewhat strict in terms of an attribution factor. (How's that for a polite way of putting it?)

As for the shape, I have seen a few other Murano pieces with a low dome. But this one looks to me to be lop-sided, which suggests it has been unevenly ground down. This could account for the off-centre appearance of the flower pattern when viewed from above.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2005, 06:43:15 AM »
like this one one Kev

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/yorkshirebob/th_7306a7a0.jpg)


mine has a polished flat base "no hollow ground" but not as highly polished as the flower weight
cheers Ray


Offline Leni

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2005, 08:42:39 AM »
Quote from: "KevH"
Leni's observation about the number of petals in the flower cane is well made, but I feel may be somewhat strict in terms of an attribution factor. (How's that for a polite way of putting it?)

 :oops: Kevin, you're such a gentleman!  :roll:  :wink:

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2005, 03:13:43 PM »
Yes, Ray. very much like the fish weight you showed above.
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Offline Leni

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2005, 12:40:49 PM »
I've had a belated reply from Jackie Lindsay (Corner House Gallery www.muranopaperweights.co.uk) about this weight and her opinion is:
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I agree with you I think - it does not immediately strike me as a Murano weight.  Always a bit difficult from one photo and without handling it - but those blue canes do not look "coggy" enough for Murano!
Kind regards
Jackie


No nearer to a firm ID though   :?

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