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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2005, 02:36:39 AM »
An update on my Jobling pink bowl - the bowl and I (and my dear OH) met Bernard on Sunday at Harrogate and the bowl was closely inspected by Bernard. He now agrees with me that mine has no visible marks, and confirmed it is a Jobling Lambton bowl.

Interestingly, Bernard had a blue version on his stall at which we also looked, and that one had a very feint, indecipherable mark. It seems the frosting process has obliterated the mark on my bowl, but at least I do now know where the mark should be!


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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2005, 07:00:21 AM »
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I've looked again at the pink bowl and there is absolutely nothing... with naked eye, hand magnifier and large fresnel magnifier... nothing, nada, zilch. I've even held it it before a strong light and looked all over it from both sides and still nothing. If it makes a difference, this one is 8.5" diameter and 3.5" high. The other one I saw like it in blue (on eBay) is said to be marked 'Regd Appd For*' but mine hasn't even got that.

An update on my Jobling pink bowl - the bowl and I (and my dear OH) met Bernard on Sunday at Harrogate and the bowl was closely inspected by Bernard. He now agrees with me that mine has no visible marks, and confirmed it is a Jobling Lambton bowl.

Interestingly, Bernard had a blue version on his stall at which we also looked, and that one had a very feint, indecipherable mark. It seems the frosting process has obliterated the mark on my bowl, but at least I do now know where the mark should be!

*More likely 'REGN APPD FOR' as on my blue example (from memory), and it is faint but it is all there, just about.

Anne's fine pink example is very crisp, so it must be an early pressing, predating the 'REGN APPD FOR' examples.   It has not lost its mark — it never had one.   This is a new variant to me.   ... and my apologies to Anne for being so doubtful.  :oops:

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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2005, 07:02:21 PM »
No apologies needed Bernard, I can quite see from the feintness of the mark on your bowl that there could have been some similar feintness on mine. Whether it was never there or has been lost with the frosting, we shall never know, but it's nice to know where it should be, so if I find other bowls I can check them. :)


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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 10:53:39 PM »
Just as an update to the pnk Jobling bowl discussion, Angela had a really good look at the bowl whilst she was here on Monday and she, like Bernard, could not find any trace of a mark on it anywhere, which surprised her immensely.


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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2007, 03:38:14 PM »
I wouldn't be hugely surprised by the lack of a mark; of the three small rose bowls I've had through my hands recently, only one was marked 'Reg App' (strangely no 'for' and different to the mark on Pamela's example). The other two both appeared to be late examples with the fine details on the bottom of the bowl poorly defined and further soften by having been heavily sandblasted, no trace of a mark was visible on either. The 13" rose bowls I have seen have invariably been marked, however.

In fact, I've had quite a few unmarked pieces recently, notably a 7000 bird bowl which was almost certainly an early example as it had the original mould detail and was very crisply moulded, particularly in the birds' tail feathers which tend to show a bumpier 'orange peel' effect on later examples. I also have two 8" flanged 6000 flower bowls, one in opalique and one in black which are completely unmarked.


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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2007, 05:05:41 PM »
Steven — Baker & Crowe tells us that Jet and Pearl were two early trial colours that never really made it into mainstream production.   I am not surprised about the Jet for the Fir Cone and Flower patterns, as the pattern just disappeared.   However, I have seen a Jet Lambton vase which was a fabulous piece, and could have continued in production.   Pearl is more difficult to find;  I have had just two examples, again the medium flower pattern bowl, through my hands.

It is difficult to think of an explanation for the variations in the small rose bowl.   There could have been more than one mould.    Sandblasting and wear do not usually completely remove a punched inscription — there is always some trace of it.

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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 02:59:56 AM »
I think multiple moulds may be the answer. One of the things Angela did say was that on her bowl of the same type the reg no is in a different place to that which Bernard showed me on his bowl. Angela's is near the rim.


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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 07:21:01 PM »
The pink bowl is the same as my Jobling lampshade, which is marked with a registered number. (REG No. 735872 - I think. Hard to read inside-out!)

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Sue I've just bought a pink one like yours, complete with fittings including a ceiling rose, and properly rewired in old style three-core purple fabric covered flex to a brass lampholder with earth terminal.   Hooks on both the ceiling rose and inside the bowl for maximum flexibility.   The chains are each five links long with figure of eight loops at each end each link is 4" long, square cross section with a loop each end, one split, of silver plated brass.

I can't find a mark on my bowl.   Where is yours marked?

Bernard C.  8)
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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 07:51:16 PM »
 ;D
You never ask easy questions, Bernard  ;D  it's up at the ceiling!
I got a ladder out, climbed up and craned my neck - (on the wrong side first, obviously!)

When you look at the base, there is an empty circle at the bottom, with two, almost parallel, circles of stems with buds on them. It is situated in the empty space between the two circles.
Cheers, Sue (M)

Three Wise Women would have asked for directions, arrived on time, delivered the baby, cleaned the stables and made a casserole...

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Re: Pink round bowl with roses - ID = Jobling
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 09:08:28 AM »
Sue Most grateful thanks.   It just hadn't occurred to me that answering my query was going to be so hazardous!

Eventually I found this slightly rough area.   Juggling with the angle of the light, I could just make out either
REG No 787872
or
REG. No. 787872
but that was only because I knew the answer.

What an amazing lighting set.   It's going to cost someone a king's ransom to persuade me to part with it.   Those three roses must be over " thick.

Thanks again, Sue.

Bernard C.  8)
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