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Offline paradisetrader

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« on: September 25, 2005, 04:43:20 PM »
Pamela Wessendorf's excellent PRESSGLAS-PAVILLON http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/ has this peach pink vase (photo 1)
 in the Val St. Laurent section.

Tony Hayter's site http://www.1st-glass.1st-things.com/gallery-deco/ has an amber version (pic 2) in a squatter V shaped footed form ; marked "Czech"
I have  a small one which is like Tony's and large version which is different again but which also seems to be in the same pattern (pic 3)


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Are they indeed all the same pattern ?
VSL or Czech ?
Thank you
Peter
(ps I am not an anorak)
(but I am an enthusiast)
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2005, 05:20:35 PM »
Well, I suppose I have to get mine out then!   :wink:

Here's my version :  http://tinypic.com/dz9csp.jpg  I had always thought 'Czech' until I saw Pamela's site where she ID's it as Val St Lambert, so I'm curious to know, too  :shock: :?

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2005, 05:56:52 PM »
Peter and Leni,
may I post that I linked it to
Val St. LaMBERT not *urent
Writing this from home, I cannot justify. I'll go and find out tomorrow in my museum what made me classify it as such - maybe the posies!
Best wishes, Pamela
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2005, 10:04:55 PM »
Peter I think Pamela's pink, Tony's amber and your small blue are all from the same stable. The pattern is the same, and the feet whilst being different styles have the same number of sides.  I think your larger blue vase is from a different maker - perhaps copying a popular pattern and changing it just enough to avoid accusations of plagiarism - i.e. alter the foot a bit, change the wing sizes and position, scallop the top a little. It still looks close enough but it's not the same.

Leni I can't tell from your pic if there's enough similarities or differences - can you post some extra shots, side, top view, etc.?


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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 05:00:23 AM »
Hi Peter, Pamela and Leni,

This pattern turns up with great regularity in Australia, usually as this bowl here:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ELEGANT-GREEN-GLASS-BOWL_W0QQitemZ7352377768QQcategoryZ23QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Depression-Glass-Amber-Sugar-Bowl-Milk-Cream-Jug_W0QQitemZ7353270036QQcategoryZ29573QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Which either means that whoever made it exported it in great quantities to Australia, or that Crown Crystal copied the pattern.  :?  :roll:  :?  

Same with this jug (from another thread):

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Stunning-Bright-Blue-Footed-Creamer-With-Flat-Handle_W0QQitemZ7352141074QQcategoryZ29573QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




OT:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Green-Depression-Glass-Gravy-Jug-Saucer-VGC_W0QQitemZ7351577160QQcategoryZ29573QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These little gravy boat numbers always go for a lot of money. Does anyone know why?

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 08:22:44 AM »
Quote from: "Anne"
Leni I can't tell from your pic if there's enough similarities or differences - can you post some extra shots, side, top view, etc.?

Well, it's stuck down firmly with white-tac at the moment (to protect it from rampaging cats  :roll:) but I do have this picture of it from a while ago, before the conservatory where it now lives was finished http://tinypic.com/dzv4pj.jpg

Is this any help?  Peter saw it when he was here visiting and was of the opinion that it was very similar to his.  

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 10:05:56 PM »
Thank you all for contributions

This pattern seems to have quite a lot of variation.

Yes my large vase has a completely different foot to the others. Also the wings or fins are more triangular on it.

I also note that the green bowl which Cathy posted is different to Leni's bowl which has frosted sections ( the only piece which has ....so far ! and I can't tell if the green bowl has wings or not.

It's pssible, as Anne says, that there were two (or more) makers using very similar patterns.

But it's alos possiible, especially if the pattern was a successful one (which seems possible given the number that this group has thrown up) that variations on the theme could have been introduced by the same maker over time.

I'm eagerly awaiting what Pamela has to say as I assume she ID'd it from some source material with may throw more light on the subject.
Pete

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 10:46:49 PM »
Leni thanks, I'd say your bowl is probably from the same stable as Peter's smaller vase not his big one.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2005, 07:34:35 PM »
Peter, I do regret there are no marks on my items with this pattern - thus it is 'just presumably' VSL
Received three further VSL catalogues today, unfortunately the 1935 Luxval is still missing  :(
I shall investigate further, themoreas NOEMIE bowl already appeared in 1915 (was a quick catalogue find today!)
Perhaps you may also google 'Luxval' : http://users.cybernet.be/darvani/LUXVAL_1935_03.htm
best wishes,
Pamela

PS: Anorak: Sure I do know about it but never expected this word being known in other languages than INUIT and German  :P
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2005, 10:30:58 PM »
Thank you Pamela especially for the link to the Darvani VSL collection
Which lead me to VSL's site (English version) http://www.val-saint-lambert.com/vsl/index.php?page=home&lg=en .
The company was reformed in 2003.
I have found very little else by googling.
We look forward to hearing any more news
Pete

 

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