Oooh now there's a thought! I read about the Duchess flower vase in Angela's book, and assumed it meant with flower holder = vase, without = sugar. It never occurred to me it might have had a lid too. Now I do have a Duchess flower vase with frog somewhere, so If I can remember which box the rogue lid is in I'll try them together and see how they work. The biggest problem is getting to my glass boxes just now, as they are over the far side of the spare bedroom, which is jammed full so I can't even get into the door!