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Czech press moulded glass old and new???
« on: October 02, 2005, 03:44:25 PM »
Hi,

With due recognition of the views of certain members, with regard to commenting on live eBay auctions, I would however like to draw attention to auction number: 6565141456, for academic reasons.

What we see, is a large, frosted glass vase, press-moulded, with raised scenes of marine life. I have not held this, but the quality appears good, and the design is reminiscent of some Barolac designs. It might therefore be reasonable to assume this is a 1920's-30's piece.

Now compare that image with this one, a piece in my own collection;
http://tinypic.com/e7jcdl.jpg

It may not be absolutely obvious, but this image has been taken of the same section of decoration. What I can tell you is that the clear unfrosted vase has very clear mould lines. There is no doubt in my mind that these two vases came from the same mould.

The purpose of drawing these two vases to attention is to ask the question as to whether, the frosting of the glass reduces the prominence of the mould-lines?

If so, then the age of these vases may not be distinguishable, as naturally one might assume that the frosted one is early, the clear, late in the mould's life.

Given that I know the second to be of postcommunist Czech origin, it still carries its original LIBS "Glass from Bohemia" label (the former Libochovice glass-works, part of Sklo Union) is it possible to date the former? I can't tell you whether LIBS makes the same vase in frosted finish now.

Clearly, the return by so many Czech glass-works to resurrecting old designs, is bound to cause even the most expert, to have doubts.

Regards,

Marcus


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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 09:47:09 AM »
Marcus

Here's the vase I mentioned yesterday.  It's not the same...but feels similar.   The mould marks are very distinct and it has a lovely satin finish, with flower mouldings that are proud of the surface:

http://tinypic.com/e87i4x.jpg

http://tinypic.com/e87i3n.jpg

http://tinypic.com/e87i45.jpg

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 10:08:07 AM »
:D:D:D
Perhaps the frosted one was just finished off to a higher standard - either earlier or later, with the mould marks removed?
I'm not normally a fan of frosted glass, but I prefer the frosted one, and I think it's lovely! (maybe it's just that I like the marine scene!)
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 03:50:45 PM »
I can see that any extra treatment or finishing that would involve re-heating could certainly reduce the prominence of mould lines - as it could effectively "fire polish" them. But my understanding of frosting is that it wouldn't involve re-heating.

As I understand it, the prominence of mould lines is more likely to be caused by the mould sections not fitting as tightly as they might. Thus a tiny seepage could be squeezed out between the sections/joints of the mould during pressing. This would (as I understand it) give a more prominent mould line. This can be taken to greater extremes where small "fins" of glass may actually seep out.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2005, 09:06:52 PM »
Thanks to all of you for your input.

I flagged this up, because of the obvious link to a vase I have, but also because back-catalogue production and marketing, mean most folks will not have any idea as to how to determine new from old. Certainly Seigmar, and others, have raised serious questions about re-introduction of back-catalogue production on www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de for some time now.

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Marcus

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2005, 10:00:08 PM »
Sorry?

Is this seller using your image  or an image of your vase,and claiming barolac?

I did say in my original postings "Reminiscent of Barolac".  The arena of Czech/Slovak glass is extremely fraught, who did what, when/ who stole moulds allegedly by British companies, why have they appeared/not appeared, is a minefield. Barolac, I used, as a term, not as an absolute id,
beacuse there  are so many continuing areas, of contention.

regards,

Marcus

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2005, 10:30:22 PM »
I think the vase is Baralac - I'll scan the page from a catalogue later today and post it up. Have to get off to work now!
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 07:08:05 AM »
Marcus

No, the seller just has a vase the same as mine, I probably didn't phrase my previous post very well.  :)  

http://tinypic.com/e8ub9l.jpg

http://tinypic.com/e8ubdg.jpg

Jo, I think Barolac did one similar to this, but with a wider top?  I expect mine is just a vintage copy of it (has to be vintage, from a charity shop I would think).  If you could scan a pic in, that would be really great, thank you.   :D   xx
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 08:00:49 AM »
Here's the page from a 'Weil' New York catalogue for 'Barolac Sculpture Glass'. As you can see from the scan made by Bohemia Glass - so not the earlier Barolac.
http://tinypic.com/e8v0io.jpg

The vase came in the turned in and turned out type of top because I have the turned out one in opalescent glass.

Off to dinner now to celebrate my oldest daughters' 21st birthday now... the party's next Saturday.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :shock:

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 08:36:46 AM »
Quote from: "Jo in Australia"
Here's the page from a 'Weil' New York catalogue for 'Barolac Sculpture Glass'. As you can see from the scan made by Bohemia Glass - so not the earlier Barolac.
http://tinypic.com/e8v0io.jpg

Jo  :D


Heyyy Jo!  Thanks so much for that, it was really, really kind of you to take the time scanning it in for me.  xxxx {{{Jo}}}

I have Marcus to thank really, as I'd seen this vase in a charity shop and hadn't bought it.  I thought it might be of use to him and dashed down to the shop and popped a note through their door on Sunday for them to keep it for me.  Luckily it was still there when I went in to pick it up yesterday.  :D

Now...if I can just work out how to repair little shiny spots in the satin finish it should be a presentable vase! :)

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