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Offline Frank

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« on: July 07, 2009, 01:34:59 AM »
Seems a bit of an unlikely attribution, what do others think http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130316133704

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Re: Any opinions...
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 06:04:42 AM »
... but Frank - it's signed!

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 06:30:08 AM »
but what?! Is it Peill & Puzler?

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 07:34:21 AM »
Studying the signature after a brief sleep (site upgrades are fun), I am considering that this is not an attempt to create a Monart signature as there are to many mismatches. I would suggest that this is another signature that has just not been properly recognised. I can only see 5 letters.

Of course the shape and particularly the folded rim are clearly not anything to do with the Ysart family and I don't see it being English particularly. Colour is not one I have seen.

I see what you mean by P&P Christine but not sure this is matching what is usually seen and then the signature, will ask for better pictures or scan of it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 08:50:16 AM »
The Peill and Putzler mark is nothing like this Christine - it's a P and it's mirror image, sharing the same "stem". It's normally on the body of the piece, near the base. However, the effects seen in the shleiergraphit can vary considerably.
Jury's out as far as I'm concerned on this piece - this does look like an "official" acid etched mark, though.

Was it not Marinot who "invented" shleiergraphit, well before Horst Tusselman designed for P&P using this technique. Other makers may well have used it.
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Re: Any opinions...
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 09:08:37 AM »
I've never seen Schleiergraphit with a folded rim like that, and a P&P attribution seems even less likely than a Monart one. I'm also not sure it is Schleiergraphit - which translates as veil graphite, while this one seems to be pretty soldid with none of the lightness and the golden bubbles.
It is my understanding that the first company to use the Schleiergraphit technique was Daum, which is where Karl Wiedmann (of WMF fame) worked on an involuntary basis from 1945 to 1948. Some time later he resurfaced at P&P and at Gralglashütte. So not quite sure if Tüselmann actually "invented" it...

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Re: Any opinions...
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 09:19:22 AM »
 ;) Pout, Ivo - I said Tusselman USED it, but that I thought Marinot (Maurice) "invented" it.
To be quite honest, I find it hard to decide what exactly is going on in this vase from the pictures.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 10:28:38 AM »
I find it hard to decide what exactly is going on in this vase from the pictures.

Me too, Sue - this is where pictures are not enough, you'd need to handle it.

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Re: Any opinions...
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 10:56:24 AM »
Mine was a WAG based on bubbles and grey look

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 11:08:36 AM »
 :thup: And taken seriously and discussed!
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