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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2009, 08:55:09 PM »
Right, but Kralik often copied better work....


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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2009, 09:07:17 PM »
Alfredo prefers the word "imitate" as opposed to "copy"   :thup:

Which would mean that they imitated a better one they saw... but where did they see it, and who made it.... 

Have we not come full circle to the original question??    ;D :kissy:
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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2009, 09:27:24 PM »
well, did Kralik copy all around the board or did they only tend to follow certain companies. the two I know of that they did is stevens and williams and Loetz. I am sure there are others though.


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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2009, 12:06:53 AM »
I do not know the answer to that question.
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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2010, 11:47:59 AM »
I am now 99 percent sure this is Kralik. this vase

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/331115

is in the Kralik Case in the PMC. Edna has pics of it. 


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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2010, 02:06:34 PM »
I have never seen an underside such as that on a Kralik piece....  Neither had Alfredo....
I still don't think so.. I am far from convinced.....
That example would not be the first piece of glass in the wrong case at the Passau....
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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2010, 10:12:01 PM »
there are reasons to doubt the Josephinehutte and Harrach cases as they were tampered with without adequate research, when originally a lot of research had been done. The Unknown cases are still mostly unknown and what has been 'solved" in them has been done so inconclusively and based on conjecture but there is no proof and the shapes being compared are not exact.

there is no reason do doubt the Kralik case that I am aware of. Just because you and Alfredo haven't seen something does not make it invalid. I trust the museum more than I trust random people on the internet.


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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2010, 11:28:13 PM »
I handled the vase extensively and took many images of it. Oh, that's right, I posted it....

It is unlike any piece of Kralik I have seen, or seen an example of......

Completely different. It is unlike their cameo work..... It is textured unlike other known examples.... the clear finish bottom is not found on any of their other work, especially with a huge over sized pontil area, and the enamel work is unlike any Kralik example that I am aware of, other than possibly the one similar piece you reference as being in the Kralik case at Passau.

Regardless of the Passau example,  and regardless of Alfredo, I still do not think it is Kralik.....  One similar sample in one case is not an attribution.......  There have been Kralik pieces in Loetz cabinets at Passau, there have been Kralik pieces in Rindskopf cases at Passau, there have been Kralik examples in the unknowns at Passau......  and those are only the mistakes I can recall quickly relating to glass I have an interest in and cases I have seen images of...... but I guess they could have been correct on everything they put in the Kralik case... IMHO odds would be against it, but I suppose it could be possible. 

It is a great collection of glass and a great museum, but they are understaffed and likely a little overwhelmed.....

Feel free to post any supporting documentation you can get from them to reinforce the attribution.... I would be very interested in seeing it....

Until then, I retain my strong doubt....

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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
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Re: Cut Back and Gilt Vase - ID Help Please - French? ???
« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2012, 02:55:29 AM »
I did see this. I wanted to bid very badly but unfortunately my budget was over spent already :)

PMC does have these as Kralik. I saw nothing like this at Harrach or in any of the museums that have Riedel. Basically there was nothing else like this except for in the Kralik case. I think they are very likely high quality Kralik.

 

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