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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2009, 09:20:17 PM »
always a problem Anne with these specialist books, unfortunately.   How about putting it on your list for 25/12 for Father Christmas??    cheers     Paul S.


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2009, 09:41:11 PM »
It's more of a scroll than a list, Paul! (Think roll of wallpaper type scroll!!! :24:) Good idea though.

As this is a title missing from our Books forums would you be able to do a review of it for us please?


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2009, 03:37:03 PM »
I know what you mean about book wants  -  I cud spend a king's ransom tomorrow on what I wud like.   be happy to do a review  -  give me a few days to get my act together.     I have met Raymond Slack once or twice at boot sales - great guy  - think he now has a great interest in old wood working tools.   Paul S.


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 02:15:22 PM »
I have one of these Lion's with a shield and I contacted  molwebb who says they definately are not Derbyshire mine is in  frosted glass. Any idea's


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 08:13:21 PM »
Ideas yes, but nothing conclusive.

Having spent some time making comparisons between this frosted example and the two pictures in Slack, my personal opinion is.............
This one bears more of a similarity to the 'translucent green' example in the book (which is without proven attribution - but thought to be Greener)  -  than to the pair of Brown Marble ones which are known to be Greener (first factory mark).
The reason being.............comparing those in the book, the most notable difference seems to be the height of the mane.        The brown examples show only a slight rise over the head, whereas in the green lion the mane rises sharply over the forhead to more of a domed look.  I'm sure there are other more subtle differences, but difficult to see from the pictures.
However, from what I can see,  this frosted example appears to show less fine moulding detail than those in the book.    I suspect that Simba doesn't have a copy of this book, and we aren't given the height of this one, so unable to compare with Slack's comment that the green and brown examples are both 15.2 cms. (6") - which seems odd, since he says that the green ones were made from a slightly larger mould!

Although there are several 'lions' in Thompson, none is in this pose i.e. paws resting on the draped shield thingy (although funnily enough Thompson does show a pair of 'frosted' lions (Landseer style) which are attributed to John Derbyshire.         Lions in general seem thin on the ground in all the other books I have, so no help there.              They weren't thin on the ground at Birmingham on Sunday - but prices were like telephone Nos.
I get the impression that paws resting on the ground was a more common design, and on balance it may not be unreasonably to think that all examples produced with 'paws up' were Greener - but that's just a personal thought.         Positive attribution for this one may remain elusive, unless someone can find the exact pattern in a book.

Having spoken to Raymond Slack about his omitting reference to glowing glass (aside from his quoting extracts from the Pottery Gazette where given ingredients include uranium) - he did apparently have a reason for calling pieces 'translucent green' rather that saying uranium green, as we might now do.                       
Although ingredients for such products as Burmese Ware, Sowerby's Patent Ivory Ware and Davidson's Yellow Pearline obviously included uranium, it seems that it was Burtles and Tate only who actually marketed a product which had a trade name of 'Uranium' - and this was one of the colours in their Topaz range (presumably it was green - I've never seen it).         Outside of this, the use of the word uranium was confined merely as a word used to describe one of the constituent chemicals in certain types of glass  -  not a word used to describe any glowing green glass, as we do.    The Victorians didn't have u.v. torches, and so didn't attach the same meaning to glass containing uranium, and Slack followed that line of thinking, and didn't make reference to uranium green pieces in his book.

With his experience of pressed glass, is Bernard able to comment on this 'lion' issue in any way -  or anyone else for that matter. :)

P.S.   sorry this is so long, I really try to be brief, but it just doesn't seem to work.
 


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2012, 08:52:47 PM »
I was talking to Simba about this earlier, and a point I made was that I can't find any Derbyshire examples which use studded dots on the base, so I didn't think it was by them. I did suggest it might be a cheeky way to get round the 3 year design registration rule by combining the Derbyshire lion and Britannia shield.

Which makers used studded dots on the base? This seems a significant attribution clue...


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2012, 09:07:34 PM »
My frosted lion measures 16.5 cms high x 17.5 cms wide if this helps  :)


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 09:11:44 PM »
I only wish it did...............wish life were that simple. ;D


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 09:20:01 PM »
Couple more pictures......


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Re: Does anyone know who made my large "Uranium" green lion?
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 09:21:07 PM »
should have been this picture !! ::)

 

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