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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2009, 02:07:40 PM »
Mike, Please keep us posted as to whether you will send the label image to Moser, and what the conversation is.

This has been quite interesting, and as you said... in a glass geek kinda of way...lots of fun!!

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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2009, 02:14:30 PM »
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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2009, 08:41:30 AM »
Hi folk

Well its official -as we thought -its a Moser label

They said the numbers on it would have been the production order and price -1.50 somethings!

Sadly they did not suggest a date for the label -I've prompted them on that point

So we have a Harrach, colour change piece enameled and labeled by Moser.

-Craig thanks for the prompting to check with them

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Mike


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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2009, 01:28:52 PM »
Mike, Did they ask to see the glass, or did they just respond when they saw the label and lay claim to it being theirs......?? 
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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2009, 01:45:19 PM »
As was suggested

I just showed them the label -and they owned it!

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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2009, 02:36:21 PM »
Maybe you could follow up with an image of the vases and ask them if seeing the glass would help to date the label....  All in the "interest" of establishing a time line for both them, and you....  Craig

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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2009, 09:39:32 PM »
Hi

They came back with a date for the label (that's still all I've shown them)

They said labels like that could be almost any date and may have been is use as late as 1935.

Well Karlsbad changed its name in 1937 so that's no great surprise.

I'm guessing they don't have much in the way of records for paper labels

So we get no further

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Mike

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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2009, 11:37:37 PM »
Labels like that? I wonder what other ones are out there that haven't been discovered yet? Thanks for the update, Mike - one more factoid to add to the reference files.

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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2009, 08:09:21 PM »
Maybe I missed something, but it seems to be complicating things unnecessarily to say for certain that the blank is Harrach.  True that Baldwin's book has errors, but it seems a stretch to assume that he was duped by three fake Moser signatures (found another signed example), all of which are on bottom-colored pieces.  And why would Moser buy from a rival firm when they had the capability to produce their own (assuming a post-1895 manufacture)?  The sharp color transition may be simply a matter of the vases being so small that there wasn't leeway to blow or stretch it to make it less abrupt.  And there's nothing about the shape distinctive enough to attribute to any particular manufacturer.

It could very well be a Harrach blank, I just don't see why there's any certainty about it.
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Re: a little bohemian mystery
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2009, 09:14:22 PM »
Kristi

Thanks

Of course you are right there is no certainty its a Harrach blank

The colour change is quite distinctive, and Harrach like, but as you said it could be a function of the size (and age actually). I've had other signed Moser bits that small that showed a normal Moser graduation -but being signed they were probably a few years later.

We can't even be sure it's a Moser label, with what it says they might just have assumed it was theirs.

We have to work with the balance of probabilities, and you quite right to pull me up and correct that.

but, for me at least, the sense of discovery is still great fun.

Mike

 

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