Topic: Not WMF Ikora. Id please - could be Fenton?

[Elmwood]

Hi all,

We bought this a year ago from auction, believing it to be WMF Ikora. Despite various research avenues and seeing it for sale on a stall at the last Glass fayre, (Motocycle Museum) -the vendor was unsure about hers too- we still cant attribute it correctly.  

Can anyone please offe/add  any info at all......

Sadly it is packed away, and has been for the best part of the year, green not being a favorite colour of mine.

The diameter is approx 11", if memory serves me right.

TIA Sharron

[obscurities]

Hello, Possibly a Fenton shape 647 missing the black pedestal base.  I am not sure of the size of the Fenton piece, but the shape is quite similar. Based on the average dimensions of the bases, the 647 is probably very close in size to this piece....

The angles of your pictures and theirs are different , but you can get the idea....  

The color appears to possibly be what they refer to as Topaz.  

Try taking a look on this page:

http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/Fenton/Fenton02.htm

Jim from Fenton (jsmeasell) could certainly confirm or deny.

Maybe the title can be changed to have Fenton in it.

Craig

[pamela]

Quite sure that it is not WMF.
Fenton made this kind of stretch glass (onion skin) see my vase:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/03113.html

 

[Elmwood]

Hi,

Thankyou both for your comments/info.  I can see the similarities with each of the glass pictures, however, am still not convinced.  

Craig- Cant really see why mine would have a pedestal base, its looks quite finished and adequate as it is.


Have scanned a pic from and old Antique Explorer Magazine, and if I am breaking some rule or copyright by posting it, someone will let me know or remove it.

Mod: Sorry, pics removed, against our copyright guidelines.

Hopefully you can see the finish bears great likeness to ours.

Have tried to locate pictures of other Myra glass items through Google, with little success, but am I going down the right path with MYRA.... or up the garden path as it were??  Would really like to get to the bottom of this as it was one of our more expensive purchases at the start of our glass obsession ( 12mths of collecting now and quite overrun with it all)

Anyway info greatly received as always.....

Thankyou, Sharron

[Mike M]

Hi

this is one of the hardest finishes to correctly identify

It could be:

Myra -WMF or
Steuben  Verre de Soie or
Leerdam or probably many others inc. Fenton

Sorry not to be more help -its gonna be a tricky one

cheers

Mike

[Pinkspoons]

I had a quick flick through the WMF Myra catalogues, but couldn't find this shape on first glance.

[obscurities]

Hello, Although the Fenton pieces were well finished without bases, they were made to be used with them if desired. I do not believe that the base was mandatory. Fenton would not have made a piece with a shoddy finish to the bottom of the piece, even if it was sold with a base. That is just not how they make their product.

Verre De Soie (glass of silk) by Steuben is a silky finish glass without the breaks in the finish. This finish is commonly referred to as "Onion Skin" due to the irregularities in the surface texture. IMHO you can count Steuben out as a manufacturer as the surface does not appear to be correct for Steuben, and the color, at least from the images does not appear to be a green they produced.....

I do not know how much of Fenton's production had pontils as this piece does, but I have had a couple of earlier pieces that did. Stretch glass such as this was produced in the US from around 1916-1930 with at least 9 major companies producing it.

The color on this could also be Florentine.... 

I will send an email to James Measell at Fenton with a link to this discussion so that he can take a look.

Craig

[Elmwood]

Thats really kind of you Craig, and very much appreciated.

And I take on board all the info you and everyone else has contributed, invaluable thankyou......

Sharron

[jsmeasell]

I see a ground/polished pontil mark and that should eliminate Fenton from consideration, as our iridescent ware in the 1920s was not stuck up to be finished but rather had a marie so that articles could be held by a snap for warming-in and subsequent finishing. In the early 1970s, there were some stretch glass "reproductions" from Germany that were sold in the USA through the Koscherak Brothers importing firm, and I think such pieces had pontil marks like this one. Feel free to contact Dave Shetlar directly through the Stretch Glass Society web site.

[obscurities]

Thank you James.

Sharon, I have contacted Dave Shetlar through his website.  It is the site I put a link to for the Fenton shape.

Craig