Topic: help with info. on flint Daum vase.

[nigel benson]

Interesting, a quid you say? So, not done recently to deceive that's for sure. As you ask Paul, why would it have been done during the history of the vase?

Not the first time this dilemma has been addressed, but on the face of it, it does suggest that all is well ..................anyone?

Nigel

[Cathy B]

... Unless it was done recently to deceive, but the buyer gave it to charity in disgust after realising the rip off?

[nigel benson]

This is why I suggested some thought about the glass - and not just concentrating on the signature. There are any number of scenarios that could explain why it is, or is not, Daum via the way this thread is going, especially if we look at an inscribed signature under a microscope as it were.

So, this fraudster signs the bit of glass, is disgusted with him/her self and has a fit of regret - then puts it into the system anyway?? They give it to charity and it's sold for £1.00 at a boot fair. Whilst not impossible, it stretches the point somewhat. (Paul's implication is that is was bought at a boot fair). Sorry Cathy, I don't buy it I'm afraid

Sometimes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........

Nigel

[Paul S.]

thanks to both of you for your continued interest, and speculation, and I do like Nigel's contention that the fraudster might have been of either sex.  It's time that women shared the blame     But joking aside, there is perhaps a valid point in considering whether or not there is any point in someone copying something that doesn't exist in the first place, i.e. there wouldn't be a market for the articles you are faking.    Copy a Drunken Bricklayer or a James Powell goblet perhaps, and you may well get takers  -  but if Daum have never produced these 'free form' sort of vases in flint, then almost certainly you wouldn't have any collectors to deceive.  Yes, it was a boot sale Nigel - my favourite one,  ssshhhh.    Now I must go out and find a footed baluster shaped vase by Henri Berge.  cheers  Paul S.   

[Ivo]

In a Daum piece (Michel Daum, 50s/60s) I would expect the sig to be applied in very small lettering around the side of the rim and to read Daum France. But the sig itself is in the correct handwriting, although far too large. So it may look like a duck and make a sort of correct quacking sound, it would not be the first piece of unsigned Sèvres to turn up disguised as a duck.

[Carolyn Preston]

It could be that somebody bought the "swan" from the (who produces swans in this world), and then realized that it was really a duck.  :spls: The duck owner then gave said duck to the charity/boot salesperson, who sold (hopefully unknowing) the duck as a swan to the GMB member. (Good heavens, this analogy is getting complicated  )

Carolyn  :chky:

[nigel benson]

Now that, is a very fair comment Ivo, although I would say currently the two types of crystal have similar values - certainly over here.

Nigel

PS. Carolyn, I think that analogy is getting beyond me!!

[aa]

What are the dimensions? Is it about 4''tall?

[Paul S.]

dear aa  -  If you read back in the thread, I had already given the size  -  19 cms. tall  x  15 cms. at the widest, with a weight of 1.6 kgs.   I have in fact used Brasso on a polishing mop in the Bosch this evening, and removed 90% of the water staining.   cheers   Paul S.

[langhaugh]

Paul:  Way off topic, but....  Can you tell us more about "Brasso on a polishing mop in the Bosch?"

Thanks.

David